What's in the water? That sort of rampantly pervasive attitude, a brutish cockiness, which has no basis in reality. Where is it stemming from??

The good guys I know who are cops have all retired. I know some younger guys who are cops and who are just pricks.

If that was happening in front of my house I just might have to go out with a baseball bat and beat the hell out of the cop!!! Of course I would also take my 40 cal Glock with me as well in case the cop pulled his weapon! Temporary insanity that is what would overcome me seeing that going on!

In reference to my statement about more innocent Americans being killed by police than are being killed in military action, Khaling asked if I had some source to cite. I looked at several sources and did the arithmetic. I looked on Wikipedia for one. I don't recall the others, because I did these before I made my comments here in the gulch. If y'all are interested the numbers can be found fairly easily.
I didn't give specific numbers, although I did find 'em--I was not sure of the source. Start with Wikipedia.

Veterans are the new terrorist threat in the US. Here is a must watch video!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTvLQM8...

That we have gotten very far from the freedoms we all enjoyed.

Extreme polar opposite approaches. Neither of which should be acceptable in a free society.

That's horrible! He couldn't just listen to you first? Wow. You clearly didn't think he was coming after you. I can't believe that happened in front of your son.

That's exactly the opposite of the way they need to be trained.

I have a good friend who was a sergent for the seattle police force. She said there have been lots of changes in police officer training-including the de-sensitization of recruits to the population. They work hard to promote de-humanizing training. Part of teh additional training is for female officers especially. Because there are fewer female officers, often it becomes one of your main jobs to frisk and perform body cavity searches on female detainees. They have found women tend to hesitate or balk at performing the searches, so they train to de-humanize the procedure. It's anecdotal-but that's what she told me

iam-do you have a cite for "more innocent Americans are killed by cops than there are American Military killed in combat?"
Did you lodge a complaint? Did he remove the cuffs? were you hauled to jail? how traumatic for both you and your son. My grown children will tell you, they are more nervous about policemen then they are about crime in their neighborhood. what does that tell us?

It is hard for me to remain calm after reading something like what was posted by "non-mooch"er. So give me a little slack here.

The reason? The following experience. In Norther Texas during a bodacious blizzard my son (14 yrs. at the time) and I were stopped at a road block by a state trooper wearing cold weather gear that wasn't up to the task of keeping him protected from the blowing snow and freezing temperatures. He was re-directing traffic to another route. I told my son what a great job this guy was enduring under really bad conditions. I then proceeded on our way as directed by the cop. After just a few minutes I say a red light blinking in my rear view mirror. I was driving about 30 miles per hour, and there was nowhere to pull over that wasn't ice, so I slowed more and did not stop. I told my son that there must be a bad wreck somewhere down the road--the cop car was coming on really fast. He threw his cruiser in front of my car; I was sure I was going to crash into him, but I managed to stop within maybe an inch or two of his car.

To make this account shorter let me just say that the reason for this chase was that I had miss-understood the cops directions, and was driving on the closed road.

As the cop charged up to my car, I started to roll down my window. In a crouched position, with his hand on his side-arm he SCREAMED "GET OUT OF THE CAR," repeating the same over and over. I got out of the car. He grabbed my right arm and threw me stomach first against he car; frisked me, etc., all the while screaming (I don't remember what). When I finally understood what he was scream-saying, I tried to explain my action(s). He demanded my drivers license. I had the good sense to had him both my license and my military I.D. card. As soon as he saw my I.D. card he calmed down some.

Now, consider this fact. These days many more completely innocent Americans are killed by cops than there are American Military people killed in combat!

Never mind my humiliation. (Consider non-mooch's link) What might have happened to my son???!!!??

My God, what have we come to?!? And, what are we going to do about it???

Of course there are decent people in the US police force. No doubt that there were a few decent KGB and Nazis as well. The problem is that the current US police system is set up not to help the citizen, but to help the State. In the view of the State, and the State's police force, there is no greater crime than one against the State. Any challenge to the State authority and, by extension, the police authority, is viewed as a capital crime. The police are not trained or expected to establish justice; they are trained to establish control. Furthermore, almost any action by a cop is supported and covered up the State. It would be difficult for any good and decent person, under such circumstances, to remain good and decent. With almost unlimited power, and certainly with the power of life or death, surrounded by a culture of power, the results are the militarization of a formerly law enforcement profession. The step into KGB or Gestapo is getting smaller and smaller.

Hello strugatsky,
I know one personally. A woman I went to school with. She has told me some stories... it would seem she is in the minority around here.
Regards,
O.A.

A couple of them. We were friends before they joined the force. Decent and truly do live by that motto.

I've always thought that is just asinine. How is someone to know that, if they don't live there? Tourists must be generating a lot of income for the city.

It's a testament to the mentality of the country at large that this is allowed to happen. I cannot imagine this occurring 25-30 years ago. People would have jumped in, but more likely, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. It's an accountability problem, with the perpetrators using excuses to somehow legitimize their actions. It's a twisted culture of blame shifting.

"... some join the force to serve and protect" -- that, I believe, is the crap that the regime has been indoctrinating into us since grade school. Does anyone actually know a cop who has joined the force to serve and protect? (in this century, that is).