but it's the details which do us in -- like the difference between a tear (liquid) in the eye and a tear (rip) in the eye! -- j

"climate is what you expect; weather is what you get." -- Robert Heinlein

Heard a funny joke last night c/o Newsbusted. It goes something like this:

More and more gradeschool children are coming down with a psychiatric fear of man-caused climate change. Yeah, I'd be afraid to find Al Gore under my bed, too!

My huband and I travel around the US and occasionally meet some real thinkers. One scientist we spoke to informed us that we are at the end of an ice age, that if temperatures rise to what the earth's "normal" levels are that the oceanic evaporative uptake will be so great that all deserts will disappear and the earth will become a verdant jungle of sorts. Given my heating bill this last winter, this can't happen soon enough for me!

I just went over there and added the correct engineering comparison. the claimed temp variation of 33% computes to 5.48%. oh, well. -- j

CO2 is innocent!

1. Of CO2 in the atmosphere, human activities produce 3%, nature 97%.
Suggested homework-
Search the alarmist sources and sites to confirm or otherwise.

2. The residence time of CO2 is 5 to 7 years.
It is then taken up by natural processes by plants, oceans and soils.
The IPCC use a residence time of 100 years in their reports and in calculations.
Suggested homework-
See if you can be the first to find any data to support the IPCC.

You could say that Al Gore, Barack Obama, and their ilk have had a chilling effect.

About a week or two ago there was 15 inches of snow dumped on Donner Pass California. Wonder if that was assessed in their BS.

Always - Follow the Money!!

Nice call, blarman. In State of Fear, there is about a 10-page section near page 500 of the paperback version in which a professor traces the big push of the environmentalist movement to the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989. Certain words like catastrophe started appearing with approximately tenfold higher frequency.

It's all in the name of the Common good. It's what the people need even if they themselves don't know it or agree with it

Denial of reality is the first stage of blankout. Dems (and many Repubs) must blank out in order to preserve their status quo.

The link says that the subtle changes associated with climate change will not cause more heat related deaths. That rings true to me. There is some distribution of temperature associated with weather. It's the outliers that cause problems. This is why 8 inches of snow can shut down DC but not Milwaukee. If DC started getting more snow storms on a regular basis, it would be incorrect to calculate the lost productivity due to increased snow, using the assumption DC could never deal with snow.

The article doesn't go into it, but it touches on gov't/media reports confusing weather with climate. I frequently hear a particular weather event associated with climate change. I asked a weather scientist about this two years ago when we were in the middle of a warm spell that lasted over 12 months. "Is this climate change?" I asked. She said this is _weather_, not climate change. We had months of way above average temperatures long ago. You can't detect climate change just looking at one region over a year or two.

I think your question is why do politicians lie. I have an intuitive understanding why. They're trying to get a majority to support them. Most people including me don't pay that much attention to the details, so little soundbites and headlines matter. Lying helps get the soundbites and headlines.

I love the "climate disruption" - perfectly, describes what is happening, but about which no one is talking. First, there has been no warming in 17 years, sorry Al Gore, but he is getting super rich on carbon credits. HAARP in Alaska heats the ionosphere, it disrupts the jet stream, and changes weather patterns. Yet, no weather hack has the nerve to mention it in public. No one is mentioning there are at least 26 such installations throughout the world doing similar weather tampering. Consider HAMP, which Obama certainly knows about, the jet delivered cloud seeding moves hurricanes, for political gain if needed. All the liberals mention is the supposed human caused CO2 levels - which they don't mention are not really such a bad thing. Control, that is what it is all about. I want Al Gore in a speedo in my back yard, the next time we have an Ohio winter like this past one - I'll call it global warming then.

Everyday we see that the weather forecasters can’t seem to get the next day’s wether correct. Now we are to believe that they can predict the next 50 years!! This is all about politics and nothing about science.

Circuit;

I recall asking you if you've heard of Milankovitch Cycles, Henry's rule, and solar activity cycles. You replied you hadn't taken any climate classes. I let it pass at the time because if you're a student you might not have time to chase things on which you're not being tested. However, learning to do your own research is an important life skill, and trusting others rather than yourself is a formula for an unsatisfying life. Once again, read about climate history, Milankovitch Cycles, Henry's rule, and solar forcing, then come back and contribute something more than an echo of what you hear in the popular media. The amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has varied greatly over the eons, as have the size of the ice caps and the earth's surface temperature. These variations were happening long before the industrial age and will continue long after the hydrocarbon age.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of the fact that, after years of refusing to release the raw data he used to produce the hockey stick graph, Michael Mann finally said he'd "lost it". So far no one else has been able to reproduce the hockey stick using accepted temperature and CO2 values. It appears most of anthropogenic global warming is based on an accidental or intentional fiction, the evidence for which has been conveniently "lost"..

Circuit;

What does your remark imply about Obama? He certainly denies things he knows to be true. You're saying it's not due to wishful thinking. So, for what reason does he deny things he knows to be true?

Follow the money. And the power.

Many years ago I was part of a movement that assessed the strange odors in the environment. It was called, the Fresh Air Research Team. They closed us down due to an anachronism.

What's green on the outside and bright red on the inside?
A COMMUNIST WATERMELON

Why do the imbeciles think that the various climates around the world of the last 100 or so years are the "correct" ones? Perhaps those have been an aberration and the Earth is moving to a better climate outlook. Why was the period between about 1400 and 1850 cooler in general than the earlier period? Were the people in the late 1000s burning too much coal? The imbeciles are often going on and on about worshiping Gaia and here they are screaming that they know better.

Not surprising- there are a lot of people making money off of this crap

it is of no consequence that we are experiencing generally colder weather for a few years now to the Washington dc crowd or the un crowd they just want to end what man has done even though man has made their existence possible. they are simply saying what ever pleases them to get to their game ending aims, the destruction of human civilization as we know it. so be appalled by all of their comments but remember they are driving the train and regardless of how much solid information comes out they will as they have been doing ignore it