Can A Freedom Party Emerge After Trump?

Posted by DrEdwardHudgins 3 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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Trump’s victory means the GOP of the past is dead. Can a new freedom party emerge?
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  • Posted by  $  richrobinson 3 years, 5 months ago
    I think Trump can be a "bridge" to a new Freedom party. Freedom and Liberty will never resonate with an electorate that rightly sees our economy as a total disaster. They are afraid of losing their jobs or feel they will never get a good job. If Trump can get the economy growing again then a Freedom Party is possible. Another big story this cycle is the total disarray the Democratic Party is in. Sanders was supposed to be a token challenger to Hillary. Given a more "fair" nomination process he may have actually won. That is a huge wake up call. I doubt any Bernie voters will support freedom and liberty any time soon. Capitalism has to be re-established so younger people can see for themselves that it works better than any other system. I hope Trump can do enough to make Freedom and Liberty possible again.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 5 months ago
      I suspect Trump as president would be a very mixed bag. Some good tax cut. But a trade war policy to bring certain jobs back to America would be an economic disaster. So if Trump is seen as a "free market" guy, then freedom gets the blame for his screw-ups. A freedom party needs to appeal to those who fear losing jobs and, as I say, see opportunities for their children to be part of a prospering, future economy.
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      • Posted by  $  richrobinson 3 years, 5 months ago
        My hope is that his rhetoric is sharper than his actions. The U.S. has appeased everybody for years fearing a trade war. We need to draw a line in the sand and opposing TPP and making some changes to NAFTA is a good start. A trade war is not in our best interest but neither is getting taken advantage of with every new trade deal.
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  • Posted by jsw225 3 years, 5 months ago
    The ONLY way I foresee a new, valid and powerful third party arise is if the GOP attempts to screw Trump out of the nomination, or attempts to hand the presidency to Hillary. Both of which are very possible with the current bunch of corrupt politicians heading up the GOP.

    Funnily enough (to me at least) is that while what happens to Trump may be the catalyst that gets the whole thing going, Trump wouldn't be invited or allowed to join the new party.

    Note that any attempts to make a new party without the open corruption of the GOP will fail. I.E. If they back Trump like they should, the new party will be just as marginalized as the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party.
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    • Posted by  $  allosaur 3 years, 5 months ago
      Your "funnily enough" bit about Trump as the catalyst not being allowed to join that new party was NOT funny to you at least.
      I enjoyed a good long laugh!
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      • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
        LMAO dittos - Why would the let in one of the main disruptive cause the left has given us instead strip any non Rinos that may or may not exist and kick the rest to the east.

        Scenario ....To start a new party without seats in Congress compounds difficulties. One way is to attract some existing members to bolt their party and switch to the new one. Then build on that inside foundation. You won't get it with the Rands and Boehners retaining those seats which means back to the grass roots for step two

        hi hi hee kick them in the knee
        hi hi rankle kicke them in the ankle
        hi hi rass kick them in the ass
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        • Posted by jsw225 3 years, 5 months ago
          I agree that the new party will need several already established candidates. But mostly it will be about denying access and membership to people who have demonstrated that they are liberal. I.E. Telling Paul Ryan, McCain, and Jeb Bush (to name a few) won't be allowed to join no matter what they do.
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
      The key factor besides a believable credible goal and direction is what is commonly called the Man On The White Horse. named after the General of a n army on the battle field which made him easy to see and his signals easy to follow. or ignore.

      Simon Bolivar in South America was one example and Toussaint L'Overture in Haiti. Actually Castro initially before he washed the white wash from his horse and we found it was green over red.

      Presently I know of no such person in the US. Most that readily come to mind are tarnished one way or the other.

      In short there exists no one to provide a focused rally point. Never mind that can articulate a focused direction and goal.

      That includes Trump but if you settle for a shady shade of grey and skip the cartwheels who knows?
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  • Posted by  $  CBJ 3 years, 5 months ago
    Ed, the “new Democratic-left ascendancy” you speak of is not a foregone conclusion. The Democratic Party is fracturing along the same fault lines as the Republican Party – establishment vs. anti-establishment. Sanders is doing great damage to Hillary’s campaign by forcing her to tack left when she could be taking advantage of Trump’s weaknesses to capture the vote-rich center. Many “Berns” despise Hillary and will refuse to vote for her in November. And tens of thousands of registered Democrats have defected to the Trump banner, putting states like Ohio and Pennsylvania into play.

    A massive political realignment is underway, and we freedom-lovers can be a major force in its evolution even if we are not numerous enough to totally “purify” the Republican Party or its successor.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 5 months ago
      I agree that the Dems are in trouble as well though I think more Berns will hold their noses and vote Hillary then traditional white, working-class Dems will go to Trump. We shall see.

      But the point of my piece is exactly that freedom activists have an opportunity to actually influence the future of politics in this country. I'm pushing the folks in the Republican Liberty Caucus in this. And if the Libertarian Party, which I vote for now and then, decides to go from an academic debating society/protest vote provider to a party that does the grunt work to building voting and legislative coalitions, it could emerge from 4 decades in the political basement!
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 5 months ago
    GOP and the democratic parties are dead. Trump killed the establishment GOP, and Sanders killed off the establishment democrats.

    Things might go on for one more election, but after that I say we will elect based on the individuals, and not their party affiliation.

    The idea is to represent the people and be based on a solid constitution.
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 3 years, 5 months ago
    I see one major problem to the rise of a viable third party: the Twelfth Amendment. I'd love to see more political parties become official and present more options for voters rather than the Progressive Left Democrats and the All-Over-The-Board Spineless Republicans.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
    Certainly but it will have to fulfill certain criteria to work.

    A coalition of the opposition is the best method and a good start point.

    The different factions will need to agree on what is their sacred ground as Carville put it. What issues are they all agreed upon and agree to put the others aside until they have gained power.

    Three steps

    Stop enabling
    Gain Power
    Make Changes

    Most of the Republican party some of the Democrat party and a huge chunk of the disenfranchised constitute the prize.

    If the don't screw it uip.
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  • Posted by DJM 3 years, 5 months ago
    Rush also predicted, years ago, that Hillary would never get elected Senator in New York. He said they would never accept a carpetbagger. He should have recalled they accepted carpetbagger Bobby Kennedy in the sixties.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 3 years, 5 months ago
    When the people are voting in large numbers for Sanders, Clinton and Trump (all big government handouts guys) what makes anyone think a party of freedom will emerge?

    We have had constitutional party, libertarian party and the Tea party from within the republican party. What sees the greatest success of anything different? A 70 year old socialist.

    When the people want a king, they want a king to decide things for them. They do not want to think, to be responsible... until something occurs at a magnitude to stop people from wanting a king, it wont change. The majority want to be ruled.
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
      The people can have any king they want as long as that king is a Constitutional Centrist. politically and an Objectivist in Philosophy. They wouldn't know the difference anyway.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 3 years, 5 months ago
    If Trump loses, the party will revert back to the fools who have been running it. I see nothing emerging from that except dissolution.
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
      Which means they will continue to be the no longer right wing but something further over of the left. Unable to fill that role the left will have to find something else to take their place and that means no more puppy chow.
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  • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
    to be practical and all other considerations aside no matter how major Hillary has always ridden on the coat tails of others and shown no evidence of competence and leadership whatsoever and hidden behind the protection of others through a string of shady to outright dishonest actions.

    Trump has done the shady himself and admits it but does have management skills somewhat more in tune with capitalism mixed with corrupt government.

    Not much of a resume but then .the others were merely politicians with chosen for their window dressing ability in the primaries.

    the results didn't turn out the way the establishment aristocracy wanted they still hold all the legal aces so it's really up to them first on the question of allowing trump to be nominated and then actually by withdrawing support from Clinton in major ways. She can't do much standing out in the cold and then their is the pending indictments. The real problem there is get her nominated casting Sanders aside and then dumping her.

    Nothing the Third actor in this bit of now serious theatre are rather good at.

    do they accept Trump as a NY liberal and socialist corporatist and add some strings that way... quite possible or do they go with some unmentioned but more controllable puppet that may or may not be competent in key crisis moments - another Obama disaster for example

    So Trump issue, Hillary issue and Citizen X

    The Freedom or by whatever name new third party is another concern of the establishement aristocracy unless they come up with a competent candidate to quietly back one with extraordinary debate skills tv presence, and leadership skills yet not losing their strings.?

    I don't see that happening from the grassroots except at the grassroots level. after that level which is needed the strings are like seaweed on a boat hull not hauled for cleaning for a couple of decades.

    So a precis of reality....
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 5 months ago
    Not in the GOP.
    The "Party of Lincoln" has been the party of corrupt looters since inception.
    It's probably part of the founding documents.
    You could bet your whig.
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    • Posted by  $  MichaelAarethun 3 years, 5 months ago
      You cot this notion of separate parties tatooed on your frontal lobes. It doesn't exist. ijt' isn't th eparty of Lincoln and neither is the other one the party of Roosevelt. Thank Godl.

      One party two faces 300 million stupid people. You are living in a past that really didn't exist back then.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 5 months ago
        At the time of Lincoln's dictatorship there were two parties. My message is that the history of the GOP (who pander to people who want liberty and free markets) is one big fraud designed to enslave, to loot from the people for corporate welfare. It is a vital part to accept in order to see the truth of your modern message. The GOP purposely stole the power from the states and made the current status a reality. The old Democrats were not blameless either, since they supported liberty only for caucasians.But current supporters of Democrat statists are a lost cause, imo.
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