Time for Gary Johnson to seize the moment
With Cruz dropping out tonight, there are no main party candidates left who behave in accordance with the Constitution. If there is ever a time for someone else to rise up, now is the time. I doubt it will be seized, however.
The GOP RINOs would not allow my county's elected GOP chairman, a Tea Partier, participate at the Florida GOP convention a few years ago. The Florida GOP RINOs also were largely responsible for John McCain getting nominated in 2008. The GOP establishment is now getting its just desserts.
GOP - Rest in Pieces
The GOP RINOs would not allow my county's elected GOP chairman, a Tea Partier, participate at the Florida GOP convention a few years ago. The Florida GOP RINOs also were largely responsible for John McCain getting nominated in 2008. The GOP establishment is now getting its just desserts.
GOP - Rest in Pieces
A close friend was fond of saying: "America will get what she deserves." I guess the people are no longer virtuous enough to deserve freedom as it was intended by our forefathers...I will not bend over...
The USA being founded twice is an extremely interesting concept.
My prediction: barring an outright indictment of Hillary Clinton, Trump's going to get beat in the Electoral college by 200 votes. He'll lose every key swing state including Ohio, Florida and Nevada. This will be the most lop-sided Presidential race since Reagan and Carter. And you'll also see the lowest voter participation rate in 40 years: there aren't two less disliked people in politics than Clinton and Trump.
Trump's going to get killed in the debates. He never debated well in the Primaries and his refusal to go one-on-one with Cruz was a mark not only of his pettiness, but his lack of any real policy position. He's not going to have anything to fall back on and the moderators are going to crucify him. And his lack of any real policies separating him from Hillary Clinton is going to result in the same thing we saw with McCain and Romney: losses.
Bad news lies ahead for America, I fear.
That's the only truth around this place!
In Indiana, last night, CRUZ, loser to Trump, got 100,000 more votes than Hillary. I think that enthusiasm will play a part in participation in the General..
The lower voter turnout rate is called 'undervote' and it is a way of rejecting the offerings or leavings of two socialist candidates.
Now if that 46% Presiential and 50 plus% off year non participation can be raised that is a GOOD thing. NOTA is a valid vote and you don't cast that ballot by participating in rigged election.
Trumps numbers minus the winner take all votes are will below 1237. And not a thing he can do about it.
The spoiling effect would certainly slice and dice the pundits claims on the outcome and set the stage for the future. IF Democrats also split over Sanders. better yet.
Ideally the focus should not be on the candidates so much as spoiling their strategies by despoiling their abilities and with luck forcing the numbers on each party down into the dirt.
No credibility no landslide, no mandate just a general election plurality of somewhere around 20% or less of those actually voting as the winners hardly constitutes anything but a complete lack of confidence in the two formerly major parties. Ergo Sum One of them will disappear.
See Blarmans comment above.
Pragmatic solutions of the moment are the road to certain failure for those who can't see beyond their nose and act to spite their face make that fate.
Right now supporting the rules committee of the GOP by making complaints about your vote for whomever being given to someone else would carry a lot of weight. Recall the GOP doesn't want Trump either. Only a segment of socialism is in his camp. Fine with Waddle, Sanders and Trump splitting the socialist vote and The rules committee dumping Trump a fire storm emerges .....
Question is who will be the fire department. not those who only preach or debate.
The other thing to consider is the polarization in the Republican Party itself this go-around. While Rush has done a pretty good job being non-partisan, Glenn Beck openly campaigned for Cruz while Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter went all in on the Trump campaign. #NeverTrump is pretty powerful in the GOP right now. I don't see a divided party winning an election, and if the GOP doesn't win, I see a good chance of the current fractures becoming permanent and possibly introducing a new political party - probably based on the TEA Party.
Trump, being a pragmatist, won't make die hard conservatives happy, so a few will sit it out, aiding Hillary. Clinton, being an opportunist and pathological liar, won't make the Sanders crowd happy, so a few will sit it out, aiding Trump. However, Trump is already doing something Hillary can't do: he's pointing out some of the issues he and Sanders agree on, which opens the door to potential "Trumpocrats." No way in hades can Hillary claim a single thing she would agree with any of Trump's GOP opponents, so there's no path for Republican crossovers.
We'll see if any of the old Blue Dog Democrats will cross over to vote for Trump, but my suspicion is that they won't and that conservatives are simply going to stay home. Thought I wish otherwise, I am preparing right now for the dark days ahead of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
My guess is that all bets are off on this one!
Unfortunately the USSA public thinks there is a reset button on politics and war. The intentional and unintentional outcomes do not allow for that. We die or they die. it was worth it or it wasn't worth it.
It ain't a GD game. Those that thhk so deserve to die.
I'm at the point I firmly believe the US Public through their chosen representatives should be stripped of their right to send their sons and daughters to war.
One tends to get a bit grumpy when the bullets are whizzing by and they read in Stars and Stripes about the waste our efforts represent. Do not speak to me of serving my country. The ultimate insult. Our oath was and for the faithful still is to the Constitution something civilians will never understand. We don't serve you nor the country we serve the Constitution or at least we did back in the old days (plural). This new batch starting with it's leader ship seems to have taken a different definition.
Eight years of war from the party that ran on a single plank of get the troops out now.
You wan;t grumpy? I'll show you grumpy when you learn to crawl in the mud past the bodies of the dead.
Do we need change? Yes we do. No vote for those who haven't voluntarily served. You aren't responsible enough for the great an obligation. The change is a return to the Constitution. We are not cannon fodder anymore. Male or Female. I the Representatives committee voted today to include women in the draft. That's how much they fear the country. You want to keep voting that sort into office. Learn to accept the unintended consequences.
The word 'you' is used as general comment meaning you the people of the USSA. If the shoe fits wear it. If the shoe is a combat boot you aren't included except for the question stated. At what point will the military honor it's oath of office?
The chips on the table total 24 years infantry. Ante up or Fold.
It's not that I don't agree with you about how rotten the situation has become. I just am thankful that people like you and I still have the freedom to make our feelings known in a public forum without fear of reprisal. That's rare in the rest of the world, either due to outright oppression, or from an out of control self-censorship in a bloated welfare state.
What excites me about the Trump/Sanders "revolution" is that it shows the American voting public still has the cojones to tell the political class to "take a hike." Sanders has socialist dreams that will never come to pass, and Trump is a stranger to government "service," but the latter is more credible, since he understands economics and negotiations.
The telling thing for me is that as soon as Vicente Fox, the former Mexican President, realized his insults aimed at Trump might be disrespectful of the next U.S. President, he apologized. The world respects a strong America, and Trump's "alpha dog" persona carries a message that we aren't to be trifled with.
All of the ballyhoo about Trump being a potential dictator, he's stated his intent to get the mechanisms of government working like they're supposed to. We've had eight years of the clear danger that would be represented by someone who would assume the trappings of an "imperial Presidency" meant he really was a monarch. After that, a leader with a program manager's mindset would be helping to restore the republic.
Clinton is far more dangerous than Trump. She is completely without a moral core, and her untrustworthyness can only result in further decay of the nation, morally and economically.
Hillary herself, while she is winning, has gotten less votes than when she did last time WHEN SHE LOST. Add on to that the fact that many of my extreme leftist liberal friends, acquaintances and family members despise Hillary so much that they outright refuse to vote for her in the general election, and it's adding up to be...
A gigantic landslide for Trump. But there is a cherry on top of the sundae, too. Once Trump wins, Hillary will be put behind bars.
Both Trump and Clinton have 100% name recognition and both are net negative candidates, but Trump is much more negative than Hillary: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2...
I agree with you that many Democrats do not want to vote for Hillary, but the same is true (and more) about Republicans and Trump. And where the electoral college is already stacked heavily in favor of the Democratic candidate, Trump really can't afford it if 50% of the Republican voters stay home, where Hillary can afford the same thing on the other side of the aisle.
I also look at Trump's debating skills: they are a joke. If Marco Rubio's quips could get under "The Donald's" skin like that, imagine what Hillary is going to do to him! And he can't just brush aside the debates like he did with Ted Cruz. Nor is he going to face a panel which is nearly as friendly as those in the Republican debates - we saw that with Romney v Obama. He's going to get skewered.
Don't get me wrong: there is no one - not a single person on Earth - I want to see in the office of President of the United States less than Hillary, but how is Trump going to differentiate himself from Hillary? He's not going to get the Hispanic vote - his immigration policies alienate that base. He's not going to get the black vote (not that any Republican is going to be able to overcome the sheer ignorance in that voting population). He's the one candidate women like less than Hillary. So you tell me where he's going to get the votes to win the Presidency? From Democrats? I'd love to see it happen, but I think it's a pipe dream. Both McCain and Romney were supposed to be able to put more States in play and that ploy failed miserably.
After all the neither the popular vote nor the State rules on winner take all are legally binding on any party. The complaints about stolen votes are a valid charge. I doubt it but it would be nice to see.
Then Trump would be a presumptive also ran. Cruz quit and that leaves the convention wide open selecting who ever they want.
Remember popular vote means zip zero goose egg nada. It's those pesky stolen vote electors from winner take all states who can be ejected by the Rules Committee and there in lies the answer to dumping Trump.
Which leaves the question of who to select up to the seated delegates at the convention - the rest having been rightfully challenged and ejected.
Now who would that be?
Who ever the establishment wants it to be.
You won't lose money underestimating the cupidity of the RINO wing.
Should rules challenge as they are planning his delegates he will have less than Cruz the quitter. which may have been the plan all along., A delegate challenge is rule don only by the rules committee. Plurality wins are not allowed.
Someone should have read the fine print. Trump is not presumptive but presumptuous and on thin ice.
Trump has the votes of the people fed up with government. Thats a lot of support. Sanders nearly beat Hillary basically on the same platform of anger against the government.
Hillary will keep the same cronyism going strong, plus she is a terrible administrator.
As to the woman card- If we could stick to the real qualifications for president, we would realize its not "womanhood" or "manhood" at all. Makes no difference if you are a man or a woman
"Trump has the votes of the people fed up with government. Thats a lot of support."
But is it enough to get him elected? You don't win elections by advocating merely votes against one's opponent, but votes for you. What says those people just aren't going to stay home altogether? Or vote third party?
"Hillary will keep the same cronyism going strong, plus she is a terrible administrator."
No one here is denying that Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt person in the United States and an unmitigated disaster to the Constitution. The question is can Donald effectively sell that message? The real way to do that is to say that you are different, and Trump suffers mightily on policies wherein he can differentiate himself from Clinton. That's been my point all along.
"As to the woman card..."
I wouldn't discount it so easily. It is much of the reason Obama got elected: he played the "black" card. And Trump's views towards women don't really allow him to capitalize on Hillary's outright persecution of women - which is the real play of the "woman" card. Clinton was holding a seven. Trump only has a five.
We have tried establishment people in government for a long time now. Look where its gotten us. Trying a businessman isnt such a bad idea for a few years. With Hillary, we are going to get more of the same that we had for 8 years now.
I agree the black card and the woman card are powerful. But look where its gotten us with the black card- a person who is a socialist muslim, and who makes terrible foreign policy decisions. Blackness or womanhood are NOT proper qualifications for presidency. It shouldnt be about women or men- but about people
Hillary IS crooked, and I hope that comes out during the election process.
For these reasons, I think one can surmise that he is a lot of smoke and mirrors and very short on substance. I for one would not hang my hat on any of his stump speech rhetoric but rather I would spend more time looking at his history (can hide from that and can't really embellish it either".......For what its worth!
As to buying off politicians, if government didnt have power over him, he wouldnt have to buy them off. He also said that he did buy politicians off, but this system isnt right and should be abolished. Thats an honest thing to campaign on. Lets c if he can in face clean up the cronyism.
As to the wall, I can understand that if you want to have a country, you have to have borders. The immigration could be stopped immeditely without a wall if they just eliminated minimum wage and freebie welfare for non citizens. Also, stop the process of granting instant citizenship to babies just born over here after being dropped off inside the USA border. Makes the walls unnecessary.
First of all, Trump being a successful business man and having failed on several occasions and having learned from his mistakes. That is True however, success in business has different meanings. If a person started out with nothing other than his brains and hard work and made billions that is one thing and is very admirable if he did it without cheating or destroying people on the way up.
On the other hand, being given a great private school education along with a $1mm startup seed fund and then down the road having reach back to over $100mm is not quite as difficult an endeavor.
Another what I believe is a salient point (something that I have first hand knowledge of) is that there is already a wall if you will across our southern border. It is the law that is not being enforced, not the lack of a viable barrier (electronic) that if utilized to its fullest extent with a viable law enforcement component, we might not be having this conversation now. That is something that is True that Mr. Trump has little if any knowledge of.
As for buying off politicians and playing their games, that is the stuff books like Atlas Shrugged are made of. Crony capitalism is just that and from where I sit, Mr. Trump seems to fit the bill quite nicely.
Anyway, I fully respect your thoughtful response.
As to the wall, I read that the actual illegal immigration is slowed to a trickle. We need to restrict minimum wages to us citizens. As wages rise to $15 an hour, there will be a flood of illegal immigration if we dont restrict application of the law to citizens. There should be a guest worker program so people can come here and work, and then go home without worrying about ever being able to come back next "season"
In Venezuela's case, I think what would have to happen is for their oil industry to face some sort of catastrophe (Ellis Wyatt-style) to take down the income base. If that happened, I think things would quickly degenerate. Then the question would be who would arise to lead a revolution and change.
One of the things which amazes me about the founding of America is just the character of those men. Here you had people who weren't interested in seizing power over others - an incredibly novel thing no matter what era one lives in. Those men were truly remarkable. I wish we had a similar group we could call on here and now.
Not denying that, but the very nature of the circumstances involved was totally different. It was a new land with possibilities for the people to chart their own course. That doesn't exist any longer. The only way to change our course is either to rebuild after a major meltdown or a natural disaster. Simply changing the President isn't going to effect the kind of change we need because the change we need is cultural and widespread.
The only thing the president can really do is encourage US to make America great again by getting the government out of the way.
WE, have to start sending donations to the Libertarian Party so they can get ballot access, right now, we're on 34 state ballots - we need 14 more.
WE also have to start funding Gary.
If you're not willing to do at least that, we will get the government we deserve fur sure.
Start practicing saying, "First Dude, Bill Clinton".
Politics have gotten away from that type of personal commitment and that is why we have the garbage that we have. Million dollar soundbites only means that people are making decisions base upon silliness dreamed up by Madison Avenue and spouted in 30 second increments, most of which have very little substance meaning "where's the beef?!"..
Ugh. I wonder how many more interns are going to get raped...
What are you going to do for the rest of us in the 46% who have turned their back on the system and are not represented. Only answer is exhibiting some leadership and form a coalition.
Just one little task as a sort of act of faith that the rest of non-libertarians count. For example I am a Constitutionalist who believes it is the center. No party just a strong belief as a retired soldier who took the oath to defend that document.
Where's the beef? You go to to show something besides where's the money...
I said nothing about quitting. Hell, during my career(s) I had at least 4 opportunities to quit, but never did. Instead, I was giving advice on what needed to be done in order to succeed.
Most of the social media is a home for air heads and those seeking safe spots. Those whose time is so value less they spend most of it doing nothing.
It's gonna be interesting
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Unfortunately, when that's applied to politics, all of us suffer, not just the silly bleeps who voted for the sorry candidates offered by the two old parties.
Rational people -- surely that includes everyone who visits here -- will this year vote for the Libertarian Party candidate, Gary Johnson, John McAfee, or whoever.
Oppose voting? In many ways so do I. But I compare it so shooting people: Sometimes you have to -- In Self-Defense.
Screw me once shame on you screw me twice shame on me . There will not be a third chance.
Although I presented third choice of sorts which calls on Trump to show some evidence of his leadership and is it two big brass ones or two marsh mellows he brings as evidence of his leadership skills.
Personally I think marshmellows and he will forgo the opportunity to remake the GOP in his own image
One thing to say about Waddle if the Arizona had armor plate equal to those she swings it would never have been sunk.
But fair is fair I gave Trump his chance Look for "What would It take for me to vote for Trump?" A new thread with space for your opinion.
Your line of reasoning is called pragmatism. So far it lost us the war against terror and lost us basic civil rights. But it did get us TSA and the DHS. The Directorate of Internal Security.
Smooth Move Ex Lax
I'll still vote for Republicans for Congress and state offices, but only the ones that aren't big spenders, as rated by Club For Growth and National Taxpayers Union.
I don't think I'll change my mind even if the GOP delegates manage to pull a surprise. Cruz was never that great to begin with, and Rubio is worse.
Nice job America.
I'm still don't agree 100% with him on that issue, but that's the only flaw I saw.
McAffee, sorry. He's a software guy. That just isn't enough credentials for me.
I want to see his veto record. I also think he is BathSit crazy.
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now where the 46% of the available voter pool represented by those who have no representation. Yet with 5% to 9% well within reach of becoming a legal recognized party.
Some will join from the disintegrating Republicans but the biggest gain is from that 46%. They aren't Libertarians or they would have signed up . Why not? Is there a place for them? Yes if the Libs are serious about advancing and if they are willing to stick to the main common cause goals such as returning to constitutional rule, free and open elections, ditching money as free speech. Just the basics.
To date i see no movement to entice me to leave NOTA though I have been sending direct to Johnson and not through any campaign committees. Most cannot articulate a reason why I should.
For my time and money they are worth working with but not worth working for? Maybe an Independents for Johnson movement might help. It's up to Johnson.
There's your golden opportunity if you are willing to share some of the control of a coalition style part and leave the minor stuff until later. On the other hand 5% projected is perilously close to 4.9%. There other percentage 9% was a smidgen away from double digits. It's something to work with but perhaps not work for. That's up to Johnson.
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So are you a secular 700 or do you have something to offer?
choices? you want viable choices. They are all around you ...except for the socialist collective farms. .which is all that's being offered officially. How long do you want to stand in line for a Cabbage Head or Beaten Root.
Anyone can then be legally chosen. Now with those of us born outside the USA eligibile I could be chosen ha ha. (No worries there.)
One doesn't have to be well known and it might be a plus.
So a Gary Who is possible but not probable. So is a Webb. It's completely up to the seated delegates and with Trumps numbers well below 1237 the Cruz supporters number enlarged and no need to honor any pledges it's a brand new campaign - one week long.
How cool that would be to end the weirdest candidate selection season in history.
Where you been playing Ostrich.
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We would waste efforts on Johnson. He wont be elected, and probably wont even get any press because of the small number of voters who would support him.
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I'll not join into the eternal discussion about that; just to say that the Dem-Rep monopoly has managed to bend or break the rules such that it's become impossible for any "3rd party" to gain and keep a foothold.
Having watched 98% of the voters last round vote for socialist tyranny (either Obama or the ABO Romney crowd) while Johnson got just 1%.
These days, we watch the money go to the D-R monopoly, not the the LP nor to any other "party".
America has a problem which Voting can never cure. I await the Great Global Collapse ahead, but fear that the majority fools will merely set out to replace this GOVERNment with another to fail yet again. If that's correct, the human species will probably then blow it's last chance to avoid self-extinction.