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Transgenderism

Posted by brucejc04 8 years, 1 month ago to Culture
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 1 month ago
    I can and do show respect to anyone until 1) I learn they are a liberal or democrat and/or 2) they (society) attempt me to force me to accept them and/or 3) they berate me or belittle me for thinking differently than they do. Tolerance doesn't mean I have to accept anything or anyone. Tolerance doesn't redefine normal or natural for me. Tolerance only means a simple respect given others and expecting an equal measure of the same simple respect.
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 1 month ago
      We don't get to define what is and is not an aspect of reality. Our opinion whether it is "normal" or "natural" is irrelevant compared to the reality. And I agree.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 1 month ago
        I'm speaking strictly on terms and not using them with any degree of malice or vulgarity.

        Normal - adj.
        1. Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical: normal room temperature; one's normal weight; normal diplomatic relations.
        2. Biology Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.
        3. Chemistry
        a. Relating to or designating the normality of a solution.
        b. Abbr. n Designating an aliphatic hydrocarbon having an acyclic unbranched chain of carbon atoms.
        4. Mathematics
        a. Being at right angles; perpendicular.
        b. Perpendicular to the direction of a tangent line to a curve or a tangent plane to a surface.
        5.
        a. Relating to or characterized by average intelligence or development.
        b. Free from mental illness; sane.
        n.
        1. The usual, expected, or standard state, form, amount, or degree: Temperatures have been above normal for this time of year.
        2. Mathematics A perpendicular, especially a perpendicular to a line tangent to a plane curve or to a plane tangent to a space curve.

        Abnormal -adj
        1. not normal; deviating from the usual or typical; extraordinary
        2. informal odd in behaviour or appearance; strange

        Simply based on empirical evidence collected over a milennia we absolutely do define reality by defining words. (97% is the norm, 3% the abnormal, the deviant, the freak - thats a reality). I do not redefine established definitions to suit PC, I'm sure time will take care of that (eg. gay).

        (good measure)
        freak
        n.
        1. A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual or irregular: A freak of nature produced the midsummer snow.
        2. An abnormally formed organism, especially one regarded as a curiosity.
        3. A sudden capricious turn of mind; a whim
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 1 month ago
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Transgenderism is within the DNA. Other animals do it. More to the point: genetics is not destiny. Free will - volition - means that we have choice. In the near future we will be able to choose our genderistic attributes the same way we choose our clothing and haircut.

    Your viewpoint is archaic, traditionalist, and reactionary.
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 1 month ago
      I am missing this conversation. was anything said for your response? There is a definition for gender. and it is a biological taxonomy one. I am seeing memes out there which state "My genitals do not define my gender" well, yes, they do. Transgender is a physical process to change gender. But gender remains the same. male parts-male, female parts-female. What's in one's head is completely different.
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 1 month ago
      Gender is not something you have choice about. Nor is the outer genitalia and or XY or XX the full story unfortunately. Gender dimorphic parts of the brain development in the fetus apparently happen on a somewhat different schedule than other gender related programming. Differences between the two can and do occur.
      It is simply a fact of reality. One has a choice what to do about it. The choice basically boils down to living the external seeming gender or living the internal gender as best one is able including often changing as much of the external body and behavior as possible.

      These are not easy choices for those that are cross programmed in the gender department.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 1 month ago
        There is no social programming for gender. Having had children (M then F) and seeing first hand the predisposition I can say that it is a MYTH (wishful thinking). I can go into detail on how I come to this strong conclusion.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 1 month ago
    Are you speaking from experience or observation?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 1 month ago
      Reason and logic, have you heard of those?
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 1 month ago
        Reason and logic are two different things. Reason is based on and abstract from experience. Logic is the abstraction of reasoning. Therefore, my question stands. If your bald, unsupported assertions are based on experience, then you have reason… if you do. If your unsupported claims derive from pure logic, then you must show the proof. Just for example, to see if you know what you are talking about, please provide a proof that
        1/2( 4a-5) (1/2 a + 1/3) + 7/2 a = 6a^2 - 5.
        or, if you are not adept at algebra (having suffered from communist public education all your life), please provide a proof that the nature of Man qua Man demands that in society he must have rights.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago
          "1/2(4a-5) (1/2 a + 1/3) + 7/2 a = 6a^2 - 5."
          I get 1/2(4a-5) (1/2 a + 1/3) + 7/2 a = a^2 + 35/12 a - 5/6.
          This nit is probably not relevant to your claims about logic, reason, and experience.
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  • Posted by 8 years, 1 month ago
    Heal the mind, don’t mutilate the body.
    It isn’t the body that is wrong, it is the mindset.
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 1 month ago
      It cannot be "healed". Many tried. Medical science finally largely agreed it is not a mental aberration or one capable of their healing it at least.

      Gender is not something you have choice about. Nor is the outer genitalia and or XY or XX the full story unfortunately. Gender dimorphic parts of the brain development in the fetus apparently happen on a somewhat different schedule than other gender related programming. Differences between the two can and do occur.
      It is simply a fact of reality. One has a choice what to do about it. The choice basically boils down to living the external seeming gender or living the internal gender as best one is able including often changing as much of the external body and behavior as possible.

      These are not easy choices for those that are cross programmed in the gender department.
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 1 month ago
        I disagree with your assessment. I have no dog in this fight, adults can do what they will as long as they are not violating others' rights, but discernment is still important in objective reasoning. Here is the take from the former head of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins. As well, the former head of psychiatry at Boston U found that after reassignment surgery, patients did not experience happiness and tended to have the same issues they had pre-surgery. so-this begs the question...http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-tran...
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    • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 1 month ago
      Do you also oppose homosexuality, which is also known in the lower animal kingdom, in addition to humans, or do you assert that homosexuality is also an "unnatural" state and an "aberration"?
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 1 month ago
      Actually the "Brain set"...but your right...It's not in the DNA, it's not in the cells, it's in the head.
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 8 years, 1 month ago
        A gender-aware colleague with an ideological rainbow on her backpack told me:

        Sex is what is between your legs.
        Gender is what is between your ears.
        Orientation is what goes on between the sheets.


        Do you intend to "fix" the "erroneous" heads of other people?

        Do you intend to do that by force? By law? Or only by your own condemnation of their "immoral" behavior??

        Do you know about the brilliant historian of middle class values Deirdre McCloskey?
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 1 month ago
          No force, no harm ever...either side...it must be by choice.

          Key, approving or encouraging that behavior just might lead another into temptation. Surprisingly, that's how most have come to this behavior at a young age. Some have been lead or taught, this is ok.

          Any Behavior deviating from the natural laws, the physical laws or the info in your own DNA has a tendency to create disorder...too much disorder creates chaos which leads to max entropy....that is what is meant by all the mystical rhetoric...in truth...it's not mystical, it's quantum physical. (a concept I'm working on). Many other behaviors to consider here as well...the left counts on this process to work and create chaos.

          Animal behavior is to establish dominance and never comes to fruition.

          Duly noted: those that were born with both genitals and the doctors and or parents make the wrong decision...
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        • Posted by khalling 8 years, 1 month ago
          hey! I just watched a fabulous lecture of hers. We agree on so much! except patents, of course. She actually underwent reassignment surgery. That did change her gender. Gender still has a definition and it is not between the ears, like Diedre likes to say economics is :)
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    • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 1 month ago
      It is not a disease or disorder of the mind at all. The scientific study of transsexual individuals showed this a very long time ago. Nor is it an adult hormonal deficiency. The facts of reality unfortunately include the gender dimorphic parts of the brain being programmed at a different part of gestation than secondary sexual characteristics. And this is only one of a set of things that can be a bit awry. We have no means to change those aspects of the mind after one is born.
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