High School student suspended for having a BB pistol locked in his car - off campus

Posted by stargeezer 6 years, 5 months ago to Government
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So he didn't break a law or any school rule, but is suspended for causing a school disruption - which was caused by the school calling in the police. So who caused the disruption?

It's really time for these school principals to man-up and quit acting like a wimp over a BB gun or pastry eaten into the shape of a gun or (oh my) a sketch oh of a gun, or a tee shirt with a image of a gun. Don't they realize just how ridicules these acts make them sound to us in the real world?
SOURCE URL: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/16/high-school-student-suspended-for-bb-gun-in-his-car-where-was-it-parked-off-campus/


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  • Posted by LetsShrug 6 years, 5 months ago
    Shortly after publishing this story, Mike Cyze, Senior High School’s Director of School and Community Relations contacted TheBlaze with an update.

    According to Cyze, the school district has completed its investigation into the issue and the student faces no disciplinary action. Additionally, the time spent out of the classroom — one day — will not be considered a suspension or appear on the student’s permanent record.

    When we asked Cyze if the outcome would have been different had the student’s car been parked on school grounds, he replied, “the student would have likely faced disciplinary actions as all weapons are banned from school property.”
    Yeah, well no shit Sherlock...that's was the whole point all along you power hungry sob!
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 5 months ago
      Yes he faced no further actions, but that was after loosing a days school, subjected to questioning by police, by school officials and I'm sure his parents had a few words for him at home. And since this was high school, you know that his next few days at school are going to be "interesting" to say the least.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 6 years, 5 months ago
        Overkill...he did NOTHING wrong.. Some nosy tattle tale is to blame for starting this and I'd want to talk to them. And the officials ran away with it. People scare me.
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        • Posted by $ Susanne 6 years, 5 months ago
          It is exactly what the Gestapo relied on in WW2 Germany... they had nowhere near the forces they needed to police and control the German Citizenry, so they instituted a propoganda policy of keeping up the fear level of imminent terrorists lurking on every block in every burg, and spread the work - "If you see something, say something". They had Citizen against Citizen, and they got to control the country with relatively few personnel...

          Oh wait. I've heard that same modus operandi somewhere else... hmmm...
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 6 years, 5 months ago
          Y'know what I'd like to do? Start a National High School Paint Ball League (if there isn't already such). Then have paint ball treated as a sport like football, baseball, basketball, hockey, etc.

          You'd have a lot of kids with "weapons" in their cars and lockers, then. (but I bet they'd grow up to be better shots...)
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          • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 5 months ago
            That is a great idea. Paintball is a lot of fun, and teaches tactics as well (though, like fencing, you would need to institute rules to bias against getting killed the first time you faced real fire because you are accustomed to faux-dieing). The paintball gun I used was not sterling in its accuracy; I hope there are better ones that actually aim in something better than 'the general direction'...still, it teaches 'point and fire'.

            Jan
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          Posted by Boborobdos 6 years, 5 months ago
          Let'sShrug says: "Some nosy tattle tale is to blame for starting this and I'd want to talk to them."

          How's 'bout chatting with Linda Tripp while you are at it. A tattle tale is a tattle tail.
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    • Posted by NealS 6 years, 5 months ago
      Is not the intent of the law to define whether a BB Gun is a weapon or not. In most states it is not. The law does not preclude someone threatening with any look-alike, like holding up a 7-11 for example. Was he holding up a 7-11 or pointing it at anyone?

      Perhaps they need a law that states, "Anything that looks like a gun (including pop tarts) shall not be in any vehicle parked down the street within 20 miles of any school". It could be like a "No Drug Zone". What about a sling-shot? Aghhh......
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      • Posted by $ blarman 6 years, 5 months ago
        Or they could just do the sensible thing and allow the teachers to pack heat. It's already been proven that the best deterrent to gun crime is the arming of the potential targets because would-be criminals are cowards.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 6 years, 5 months ago
      So, if a kid learns karate or kung fu, his hands and feet are banned from the school?

      Sharpened pencils, belts, straws, school/class rings*, hardback books, chairs... any number of things are "weapons". It's not weapons that are dangerous; it's people. Anything is a weapon, in malicious hands. Nothing is, in benign hands.

      *my freshman and sophomore year were made painfully miserable by the time-honored tradition of "biffing". When upper classmen got their school/class rings, they would turn them around so the heavy decoration was toward their palm, then as they walked past lower classmen in the halls they would extend their arms and at least allow the ring to bounce off the back of the head of the lower classmen; if the lower classman was particularly unpopular, the "extension" evolved into a swat, raising welts. I was reminded of that era when G. Gordon Liddy explained "fighting rings" he learned about during his incarceration.

      During this period I carried a pocket knife as a work tool. Until late in my senior year nobody even knew I carried a knife; so much for "weapons".
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        Posted by Boborobdos 6 years, 5 months ago
        It's easier to blame a device rather than the lack of mental health support.

        Too bad the right wing just own't spend the money.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 6 years, 5 months ago
          Why should we? A noodle is much cheaper than years of wasted psychotherapy.

          Don't try blaming us for a problem caused by left-wing philosophy. It's the left who destroyed the traditional American family unit. It's the left who convinced 3 generations that honor means nothing, that "manhood" is a sexist invention, that "I want it" is justification for seeking the unearned.

          My classmates were the first generation experiment in this destruction. Subsequent generations have even fewer members who even have a grasp of civilized behavior.

          And the leftist solution is a typical blanket solution; take anything resembling a weapon away from anyone, and punish them equally (because Equality is god!), without regard to their demonstrated character or the actual nature of the "offense".

          Control of the body, or control of the mind, by the collective, that's the only two options the left will even consider.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 6 years, 5 months ago
    Actually, the less time the kid spends in the government school, the better. He will be subjected to less stupidly and indoctrination. If there's anyone today who still doesn't recognize the danger and destruction of the person that a government school does, he deserves the outcome.
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  • Posted by BrettScott 6 years, 5 months ago
    Sadly, schools are so afraid of lawsuits that they've abdicated good judgement in favor of 'zero-tolerance' policies meant to relieve them of liability. That's why this kinda thing is so common.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 5 months ago
    The student learned a lesson more important than what he would have learned on the day of school that he missed. Perhaps we should extend a special invitation to the Gulch for this student.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 6 years, 5 months ago
    And to think, I used to live there. What idiocy. At least they expunged all negative comments from his school record.
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  • Posted by amhunt 6 years, 5 months ago
    This kind of irrational behavior is to be expected from government run schools (and now -sadly- from privately run schools via state intimidation.)
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  • Posted by Herb7734 6 years, 5 months ago
    Perhaps all males should be banned from schools in case they get erections which resemble a gun.
    (No untoward comments, please.)
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    • Posted by Eudaimonia 6 years, 5 months ago
      No need to ban males from schools.

      Through Political Correctness, Radical Feminism, casting all males as incipient rapists, and even toying with the language to require in written papers feminine pronouns as indefinite pronouns: the message is very clear and a lot of males have said, "Why bother?"

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  • Posted by $ jlc 6 years, 5 months ago
    Here are the words to a song I heard years ago (by WJ Bethencourt).

    Jan

    As I roved out to Western Lands to take the Western Air
    I went into a Revel Hall and I saw a Twelfth Night there
    but I was halted at the gate by a Privy Consellor

    who told me I would have to check my Weapons at the door

    As I, in my astonishment, stood hung on tenter-pegs
    a Knight came in whose Prouess hung down between his legs
    the Doorman grabbed a greatsword and he struck the Knight full sore
    and gave him a reciept; he left his weapon at the door!

    a Bard was next whose goodly Voice has entertained us all
    but he, too, was prevented from entering the Hall
    and told he could not carry deadly weapons on the floor
    he left his Voice and Harp among the weapons at the door

    a Master entered graciously, a man we all know well
    who holds a 3rd Dan Black Belt, tho this he'd never tell
    the Master struggled valiantly, the Master cursed and swore
    but he left his hands, and feet, as weapons at the door

    the company was jovial, altho a bit dismayed
    for lack of proper cutlery, down to the smallest blade
    for even teeth and fingernails, each can be used in War
    were cut, and pulled, and left behind, as weapons at the door!

    And has their King not loyal Knights that He must be afraid
    of brawling in his Hall and of Assassin's bloody blade?
    the Rights of Men to carry Arms at least WE'VE not foreswore
    and a POX on them that made the Rule of Weapons at the Door!


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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 5 months ago
      The ONLY thing I can add to that bit of prose is that I carry all the weapons I am allowed to carry by law, every day as many places as possible - and to those liberal gun haters who hate the weapon on my hip and ankle, they most likly have a problem with the other weapon my drill Sargent instructed us about at bedtime and day break........
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  • Posted by scinch 6 years, 5 months ago
    As a teacher this "off-campus" notation doesn't mean much. Under the legal premise of "in loco parentis" which is an old English Common Law idea. The only exception to this legal idea in the U.S. is that the student has to cause a "disruption" of the education process "see Tinker v. Des Moines. The problem is what constitutes "disruption".
    Basically, schools have this "legal" right to full control of your children from the moment they leave home in the morning and until they walk into their homes in the afternoon. Thus a school currently has legal standing for anything that occurs in between those moments.
    Not saying I agree...just stating how they view it. This is why they are beginning to exert control over what happens on the Internet...a smartphone communication is now used against students.
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    • Posted by $ 6 years, 5 months ago
      Is this a state case or a federal level decision? I, for one, never ceded authority or responsibility for my children as I drove them to school at 7:00am or punched a clock when I picked them up at 3;30pm.
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      • Posted by scinch 6 years, 5 months ago
        This is a legal doctrine that started as English Common law. It has been part of our education system for over a hundred years. Tinker v. Ohio (US SUP CT - 1969) weakened it but this is a legal doctrine throughout all states. The recent "Bong Hits for Jesus" case re-established some of that authority back to schools. Schools literally have authority over your child from the time they exit the door until they reach home. I didn't make this up...I just happen to be a teacher and know this is what is used. That is why corporal punishment is still legal in 23 states.
        Even you picking them up is dubious because you could technically stop along the way home so your kid could finish some business with another kid. In that instance schools have suspension authority.
        Look up "In Loco Parentis" and read the basic Wikipedia page. It means "In Place of a Parent." Do more research if you like.
        Latin, in the place of a parent.] The legal doctrine under which an individual assumes parental rights, duties, and obligations without going through the formalities of legal Adoption.
        By far the most common usage of in loco parentis relates to teachers and students. For hundreds of years, the English common-law concept shaped the rights and responsibilities of public school teachers: until the late nineteenth century, their legal authority over students was as broad as that of parents. Changes in U.S. education, concurrent with a broader reading by courts of the rights of students, began bringing the concept into disrepute by the 1960s. Cultural changes, however, brought a resurgence of the doctrine in the twenty-first century.
        I pulled the above from the following link:
        http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...
        It has many legal decisions listed. State and Federal.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 5 months ago
    I have 10 years before my kids are old enough to get a politically motivated suspension. I truly don't care. People take themselves so seriously. If you know how to solve technical problems, people will pay you regardless of whether you anger half the population. Angering people is good in away b/c if no one is angry you're not getting out there and doing stuff.
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