In Honor Of May Day...What does Means of Production really mean

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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I'll not do the other definitions. Most don't work anyway. But I will pose this scenario. Picture a business of some sort. Of all the people that work there including the stock holders which ones are workers and which ones are not?

The objective answer of course is everyone stockholders especially union retirement funds provide the start up and expansion capital. The employees from the CEO on down to the night janitor/security guard do what work is needed to produce a service or a job. They are all the means of production if the relationship is not askew.

the only exception I can think of are they non employee disinterested parties. Not the customers mind you.

People like Tax collectors and EPA inspectors who contribute not much if anything are not the means of production.

What I'm describing is a form of capitalism and since the other systems don't work ....

Well it's not the real reason for honoring May First. I turned 39 again and it was so embarrassing seeing those full time moochers distributing Workers Of The World in betwen trips to the food banks and welfare office i had to come up with something a bit more honorable. Think about it. What employee does not contribute something to the effort of the entire business? Assuming it's a well run business and minusing the depradations of government.




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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 11 months ago
    Privately held, employee-owned businesses best fit the model you're describing, with the employees as stockholders. I used to work for one of those, and part of my compensation package was always shares in the company that ostensibly reflected my value in generating the company's profit.

    The only hiccup in the employee-owned model has been the stock valuation. Without market forces driving the stock price, estimates can be uninformed "guesstimates." Often the self estimate by the company is inflated, usually unveiled when the company has a third party perform the value estimate. I was fortunate, because the third party estimate mandated when the company went public revealed the stock value had been underestimated by almost an order of magnitude. Better yet, the company had ordered a tenfold split in the stock just before the decision to go public. Sometimes these things work out.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
    Meanwhile somebody slopped yesterdays chamber pot on Seattle ....Did the city provide safe spots and whose paying the $15 an hour to the demonstrators? Double time for turning it from peaceful to violent? So much for the whines of the millenial leftists.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
    Of course employees are a part of the means of production. Everything that contributes to the production of a product or a service is. One of the things which confuses some is how can a person be owned by the state? And that is precisely what illuminates the difference between socialism and its variables and capitalism. Not only are products and services owned by the state, but the people of the state as well. The word "private" is anathema to a socialist regime.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      I hold that employees all employees are the means of production. The machinery is incidental and just another product of the employees or the employees of some other firm.

      Only the employees including everyone from CEO or whatever to Janitor can make decisions that will affect the success of any endeavor. Then carry them out. Each employee should be individually responsible for the well being of the effort be it infantry unit, assembly plant, cross country transportation research unit, educational institution, or government agency and as a whole responsible for all other employees.

      All employees have one thing in common. Their skills are for sale and that is their sole business .
      Carried out wth professionalism and treated with respect.

      Thus the chasm is bridged.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 7 years, 11 months ago
    When I was a street vendor, during one of the
    periodic campaigns to harass/ban/restrict us street
    vendors, I got up and spoke at a City Council
    meeting (something that used to scare the h--l
    out of my boss, as he feared some sort of reprisal, I guess). Somebody had proposed that
    the City should own the carts and lease them to
    the vendors. I said, "I think that this notion of
    having the City own the carts and lease them to
    the vendors is an essentially Socialistic one",
    which seemed to amuse someone on the Coun-
    cil considerably; I said that I had read that
    "public ownership of the means of production"
    was a Socialist, or Communist, tenet, and that
    I didn't believe in Socialism.--Anyway, in the end
    they didn't do it. (I still have a sort of solidarity
    with the street vendors of Richmond, although
    I have not been one since the boss died in 2010).
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 7 years, 11 months ago
    Happy May Day!
    "Worker's Paradise Promised an End to Money"
    (I wrote this for my comrades in numismatics.)
    http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20...

    Another communist idea that permeates our culture is that when the CEO is "paid" millions of dollars, that he has it in a vault in his basement and he porpoises around in it like Scrooge McDuck. In fact, all the CEO gets is a check and maybe a receipt for an option to buy stock or for the execution of a stock option.

    It is not as if Bill Gates could sell off a billion in Microsoft stock so that he can have some walking around money.
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      I listened to him speak at ComDex one year. He laid the whole thing out His then twenty billion or so if cashed in would drop he thought to one fourth. The reason is any time you dump stuck it loses value. Also a lot of it is not money but value of house, land etc. etc. he also said at that time his stock was over valued and a crash was coming. It did.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 11 months ago
    The HR dept?...I suppose that's a depredation of government...but He, She or It is an employee.

    I always thought (and very little) the "means of production" referred to machinery, the assembly line, etc. But in the big picture, which I think your getting at...is the whole of it...everything and everyone.

    PS. ...how many times have your turned 39?
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    • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
      Enough to be within shouting distance of 39x2

      HR I had to think what the hell is that? Human Resources? Should mean what I was referring to but in this day and age it means slave market.
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      • Posted by roneida 7 years, 11 months ago
        In the days of clear English, those employees worked in the personnel department and handled all the clerical details of employees pay, vacations, insurance etc. When "language persons" changed the unit to "Human Resources", they became material components like raw material, equipment, office furniture, and their main function became protecting the company from aplications for employment and filling out unnecessary government forms to help undo the rights of the owners on the business.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 11 months ago
        Not far behind ya.
        Yes, human resources.

        Means of production versus slave market...hmm...I've witnessed many businesses that fit that bill...don't know if it's in fear of or an infection of the left....in any case it's not like it used to be...and that is not nostalgia, it's practical experience.
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