Gender Equality In Slavery
I'm a guy who was once drafted against my will due to a war I was against.
I perceive there being no "gender balance" for forcing military servitude on women.
Just because it happened to me, I do not feel there is any justice to be gained from conscripting anyone ever.
There is no justice in slavery period.
I perceive there being no "gender balance" for forcing military servitude on women.
Just because it happened to me, I do not feel there is any justice to be gained from conscripting anyone ever.
There is no justice in slavery period.
Again, we should not have conscription in the US. We do not need it. If the public supports the military action, more than enough will volunteer, for example WW2. If the public does not support it, they should rethink getting involved in the first place. For example, Vietnam, Korea.
Note: I don't mention the more recent actions, we are still in there, and too many lies spewed to have an honest discussion about it yet.
Honestly, I am not sure what word would actually be appropriate, but that one is not.
I also think it's only "fair" - women have long fought for the right to serve in the military, and now to serve in ever-increasing capacities and want things like the post-9/11 GI bill with basically unlimited education benefits, excellent training, etc. With that comes the obligation that they should also have the same risks as a male.
We are not alone in that - most countries around the world (other than Muslim ones) have women serve in similar capacities, in Israel, it's all-hands-on-deck for national defense.
It doesn't take a penis to pump gas in a plane... You don't need one supporting a 7000 person floating ship at sea, etc. If anything, it helps morale and stabilizes the military community.
The same goes for police and fire fighting jobs, unless that person is just going to sit behind a desk.
Korea ended in an armistice because the US was tired of war and you had a lot of Democrats (who were actually Communist sympathizers - McCarthy was dead on) who actively made it difficult to prosecute that war. In addition, it was really the US against both China and Russia at that point in a battle of attrition.
Vietnam was a classic case of armchair quarterbacking and why it is a bad idea to have civilians running military operations. The US was winning the war early on, but a change in Presidents and the subsequent priorities and focus on "diplomacy" - the nonsense of every Democratic politician. It was at that point that the hippy protesters like Barbara Streisand started coming out of the woodwork. One of my favorite John Wayne movies was "Green Berets" where he deals with the whole Vietnam issue very pointedly.
Anyway South Korea's "side" of the dispute was sponsored, for want of a better word, by the UN once the conflict broke out. That UN sponsorship was one of the fig leaves that saved MacArthur from being relieved right away. Truman did not like him at all since McA's arrogance was profound to say the least.
Vietnam - Two wars there, the first one started in the late 40s until 1950. It was a proxy war with the north being a communist supported force and the south being an anti-communist supported force. The UNs involvement was not really relevant in this one.
The second war there, was a little different, still a proxy war, but this time the breaking of the treaty from the North was a big deal. Our direct involvement was two-fold. We had advisors on the ground, and then the Gulf of Tonkin incident. That drew us in. The UN was a sideshow really, but a useful "authority" for both sides.
Your last sentence above is exactly why the UN is not of any real use.
Just another socialist war fought by conscripted troops and a few professionals
60l,000 dead later we were informed our win had been given to the other side.
I also recall how Japan fought many a man in a monster suit with "UN" pasted on toys.
Thus I would do what many European nations have done, and require a vote of the American people, preferably repeated every 10 years or so, for any treaty of alliance with other countries. Or better yet, for any treaty at all (as the Swiss have it). This would be in addition to, not instead of, approval by the president and Senate.
They intent of those changes was to allow quick reaction in case of attack, not give the President free reign to start wars without Congress' approval and declaration.
The real question is, "Should women be allowed to volunteer?" The answer is yes. Should they be allowed in combat? The answer is also yes. Then the next part of the debate becomes questioning as to whether women have the strength or stamina for combat. That can be determined during training as to what assignment they get. There are men who are not fit for combat who can serve In other capacities as well as women.
Additionally they then would be rotated back for showers every other day, whereas the men would be in the field indefinitely with no shower rotation.
In my unit it was a tradition that when a person got promoted to E-5 Sgt. on the very next PT formation they had to carry the M-60 (a 23 pound machine gun for you civilians) for the run. I happened to be in line directly behind a newly minted female Sgt. as we started the run. It was a short run only about 8 miles. As we left the gate (we had run about 200 yards) she turned and handed me the M-60 and ordered me to carry it. As I was only an E-4 Spc. I did as I was told. At the end of the run as we pulled back into the post. She turned and demanded that I hand the M-60 over to her. I stated that I was good and would finish the run with it. She immediately began chewing me up one side and down the other. The 1st Sgt saw and overheard the whole thing. Thinking that I would receive some support. I stood my ground. Next thing I knew I had extra duty for the next 2 weeks and an official reprimand in my file. Apparently I was insubordinate to an NCO because of her sex.
Don't know if anyone was watching that gate she wanted to impress, but she at least wanted to be able to say start6ed out with that M60 and finished with it.
Doubt anyone would even imagine there's that middle part where you came in
As part of my "just in case you have to fight as a Marine supply clerk" advanced training, I fired a M60 one whole time during 1970.
I felt a rush, and I found it easy not to miss a stationary target with tracers.
Come to think of it, I do believe that was the only weapon I fired that had tracers.
There is also a large correlation between this practice and membership in a certain ethnic group. Whether that is a coincidence is an interesting question.
Men and Women are equal...Equal partners according to each their own essence, just as the laws of nature intended.
I always valued the American way of appreciating women, pretty much differently than the rest of the world...sure there are some that don't here in America, but back in my day...it wasn't representative. I see women on our front lines, no matter how capable, a travesty and a net negative for society as a whole, it just doesn't seem right...but this is the "be what ever you will" society...only time will tell, long after we're gone.
This is a weird one because I think it should be both genders if it exists -- and I don't think it should exist. I'm hoping that adding young girls to the registration will end the whole thing.
All the money we spend on maintaining a useless database is simply wasted. I don't think the Soviet Union is intimidated anymore -- if it ever was.
And honestly - the whole division between men being eligible for combat and women being excluded - are crap. If you can measure up to the standards for the job, what you have between your legs should be the LAST consideration. Anything else is patronizing, and says "you really ARE a second class thing, that someone else has to protect and watch over", or worse", You're not WORTHY to defend your country like someone else is"...
Having served (volunteered, because that was the only way to get in,) one thing I got from my service was the requirement to go from needy, whiney kid to self-sufficient and determined adult. It taught me to be responsible, that my word is worth something, and that I had to make it on my own, without relying on someone else (parents, hubby, whatever)... The other thing it taught me, of course, was (to quote a drill sergeant I remember surprisingly fondly) was "Life ain't fair, sometimes it sucks, so suck it up, buttercup, and get it done". (We were talking about this very subject last night...)
What I see with those lacking this "experience" are, in general, a generation of those who either learned this some other way, or (sadly) never learned it at all.
Sure, the draft sucks. Being forced to do something you don't want to do sucks. But sometimes... you gotta do something you don't like. And doing so may benefit you in ways you don't see. (Or to quote another famous Drill Sergeant line - "No Pain, No Gain.")
Pearl Harbor had the same effect on my father.
Anyway, I have said "thank you" to people I've seen in a military uniform.
for firefighters and electricians while waiting for my
place to open up in aircraft maintenance officers'
school in illinois. . as an engineer, they couldn't
believe that I could do it! -- j
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Uncle Sam had an idea and scooped me up in a heartbeat. I wound up in the Marines as a supply clerk.
I never went to Vietnam but Parris Island was as bad as it was in Full Metal Jacket. Believe a drill instructor's fist slammed into me at least five times. I got tough, though..
The first time I felt fully free in since my late teen years was during that last taxi ride to the airport as a corporal with an honorable discharge.
I got out two months early on a "school cut" and went back to college paid for by the G.I; bill.
I figured out what I wanted to do and two years later I graduated,
An honorary discharge and a piece of paper that states that my last promotion was under meritorious conditions DOES look good on a resume..
I was lucky. Things did not turned out the same way for everyone who got drafted during the 60s.
A thing to remember about that Vietnam black wall monument is that not every name on it was a volunteer.
universal conscription -- or deportation ... or they
once did. . the military isn't the only option;;; you
can help with the courts or the libraries or some
other public service. . or pay a lifetime tax. -- j
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compensation to the country;;; I would expect that
there would be compensation to Midas Mulligan for
gulch habitation -- who pays for the shield? -- j
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In truth, real threats to the continued existence of the republic will likely draw enough volunteers to make conscription unnecessary. The concept arises from the misguided idea that anyone not in uniform is somehow a "free rider" on the sacrifice of their military brethren. In earlier times, I had a relative who was listed in the War of 1812 ranks simply for being a farmer who supplied the uniform military. We seem to have lost that sense of community and shared burden.
There could be ways to inspire increased volunteerism as an alternative to conscription, such as the right to vote based on evidence of service (as in Starship Troopers). This would require constitutional change.