Should parents be forced to vaccinate children before they can attend school?
Posted by richrobinson 8 years ago to The Gulch: General
I saw an excellent presentation last night on the risks of vaccination and health problems including autism. Most States currently require vaccinations in order to attend public schools. The argument being if parents don't vaccinate their kids then other kids are at risk. The problem appears to be the number of vaccines being given at the same time and at a very young age. The speaker made it clear that she was not anti-vaccine but wanted all parents to be able to make informed decisions. I don't have kids so I was never faced with this decision. It would seem logical to allow parents to opt out of many of these vaccines if they wanted. It is possible to get exemptions but it seems the State is making it harder and harder to do that.
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You heard it here first...most likely. Remember that.
The problem is that they let the government get away with it in the Obamacare rulings. :S
The other part is that the list of mandatory vaccines is growing. Chicken pox is one. I want kids to get chicken pox. Yeah, they might be miserable for a couple of days, but then they are over it and their body gets practice defending against invasion. Same thing with flu vaccines (which are a crock anyways because of the sheer number of strains). The other one that drives me crazy is the HPV vaccine. Hello - just don't sleep around! You'd risk your fertility on a vaccine? Stupid!
Kids not getting vaccinated is a bad idea, but it is nothing like child abuse or anything the gov't should be involved with in any way.
The fact that gov't runs the schools means what should be a personal issue becomes a topic for political debate.
This is completely hypothetical. My point is parental control is not absolute, so I see what you're saying about parental control being a function of relative risks of getting vs not getting the vaccine.
If you agreed with me that vaccines are safe and are in no way connected to autism, I suspect you would still oppose mandatory vaccinations of all school-age children.
Of course, the Spanish Flu was in the past, so let's forget that... after all, a simple flu bug can't wipe out 1/6 of the population... right?
Thank you for believing that forgetting history is the best way not to repeat it. I'm sorry... but my kids were vaccinated... as were my grandkids... and they didn't turn into retarded idiots from it...
Even better... I know autistic kids... that were not vaccinated, because their parents "didn't believe in it".
I don't need the government to tell me to vaccinate my kids... seeing older people in iron lungs who didn't have vaccines back then, when I was a kid, was enough. Visiting the graveyard where my in-laws family are buried - where there are a LOT of death dates in 1918 and 1919 -
I don't have to trust the government. I have to trust my common sense, that asks "do I want my kids dead from something I could have stopped"? What I REALLY don't trust - are a group of non-scientist guessers and conspiracy theorists telling me not to vax my kids because they don't think it's good, or they think it may cause this or that... because their aunt Millie said so... because she read it on an internet forum...
Also note, some bloodtypes are more vulnerable to allopathic intrusions than others...no one considers all possibilities.
I am among the most vulnerable to allopathic idiocies...my body, left alone, does light years better on it's own. Bloodtype B seems to handle most of what allopathic intrusions dish out where as an O, non secreator does not.
We are all so very different...but they try to treat us the same out of laziness and ignorance.
I don't discuss what I learned publicly anymore. But, in the right setting, I enlighten. My most recent audience was a senior democrat Assemblyman who, after hearing what I had to say, broke ranks with his party and voted against forced vaccination.
When in doubt...look at what Objectivism says. It works for a reason. Funny how well it meshes here.
I can think of 4 or 5 - maybe - my grandbabies had. Hell, when I was in the Service (and on World Wide deployment status) I had... 2 or maybe 3 hyposprays and 4 or 5 actual needles initially - it was all pretty quick. That was to protect me from most shithole fevers and contiguous plagues. I got 2 more shots when I did get to go play outside the 3rd world... So that a 2 year old would have had 29 injections sounds a little high... unless it's those mutated molecular viruses from Venus that the aliens brought in... or they got bit by a rabid rat or something.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules...
How on earth did our founding fathers live to be 10?
Yeah, I kinda see why people are talking about overvaccination. That schedule reminds me of the Michelle Obama Food Pyramid and school lunch mandates and making sure the parents Orwell, er, are well indoctrinated in fear.
I agree with all the facts in your statement. Vaccines are victim of their own success. They've stopped horrible diseases and now people don't think stopping diseases is that important. You mention the 1918 flu pandemic. It's beyond living memory.
I think we should err on the side of being nice to anyone in favor of liberty, even if what they're doing seems like a mistake, and even if it incurs costs on others, e.g. decreased herd immunity.
Don't confuse real objective science with testing biased to get FDA and AMA approvals.
If you get funding, do the testing, and find a breakthrough, that's what's science is all about.
If we ignore it unless there are no biases due to patronage issues, we just give up on science. The answer to every objective question becomes "consider both sides of the controversy because we don't really know anything because our values and biases color everything."
Want to guess what that study showed? Go ahead. I'll let you know if you guess right or not.