Trump Campaign Falters in Georgia Delegate Elections

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Here is a good example of our broken system, between the Wyoming escapade and this one. I know a lot of people don't like Trump, a lot do not like Cruz, but this system is not "democratic" by any means. It should be straight up votes of people, not "here's our pick, lets vote".Republicrats are just as dysfunctional as Democraps.
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  • Posted by mcsandberg 8 years, 1 month ago
    I live in Colorado and we elected delegates at the precinct level that were overwhelmingly Cruz people. When they went to district they selected Cruz supporters and when the district delegates went to the state convention they selected Cruz people.

    Yep, we're a bit removed, but things worked out like we wanted 'em to.

    Atlas Shrugged was supposed to be a warning, Not A Newspaper!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      Suits my purposes but the party does not have to accept them. States may suggest but they have no power to control who or whom a party selects as their candidate. Party selects, Electoral College confirms so to speak. Popular vote is at best a guideline which may or may not be used. Winner take all is outright theft.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Not to get into a sideways debate, but it would be my question of: Was this vote based on a real evaluation of what the candidate will represent, or what the party wanted? The mainstream Republicrats all say they hate Cruz, ignore him in the Senate, and he has never accomplished any changes for the better, yet the rank and file believe he is the best choice? I would have thought a "go back and try again" vote would have been more considered, if none of the choices are supportable. That is one of the issues here this year, what happens when not one candidate was able to reflect the majority of the members? You get the best of a bad lot.
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      • Posted by MinorLiberator 8 years, 1 month ago
        With all due respect, the points you made about "mainstream Republicrats", not even if true, but especially if true, are why I would vote for Ted, of the pitiful bunch left.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
          not to mention the Rinocrats already deserted the 'Constitution and joined the left leaving not much of a republican party except - in name only. It isn't the Constitution Party but the Constitution that needs supporting and bringing back. far better than what the former Republicans now offer.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago
        I think the GOP establishment doesn't want Cruz anymore than they want Trump. They want one of their own, and at the moment backing Cruz is their best shot at denying Trump a first-ballot victory and achieving a "brokered" convention where they can wield more influence.

        Likewise, I suspect many Trump supporters are not happy with many of his positions, but the consider him their best chance for taking down the party establishment.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
        When the Republicans have a party let me know. Lap Dogs of the left doesn't count. Arf Arf Where my puppy chow?
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Thats true, so true, just there is not much left to pick from, the Constitution party sounded good until you read their manifesto and realize the christian republcrats all bailed and started it, they are trying to change the basis of the whole constitution and add in all "they" think was left out.
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 2 months ago
    Ah, but then it becomes a pure democracy, which our founding fathers knew was a sure road to despotism. Granted, the system, as it is currently practiced, is very flawed with all the special interests (read labor unions and welfare recipients) holding many states in thrall, it is just as unbalanced to the moochers and looters. Trump I consider a looter on the order of James Taggart.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago
      I heard it explained somewhere that the delegate system was in place to insure the people don't make a choice they'd regret...fat chance now days, they are just as easily fooled, bought or just as uninformed.
      I think at one time they were unapproachable and not out in the open like now,
      Read an article earlier about a 100 or so Ron Paul delegates that aren't so well known that might help tip the balance at the convention.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
        Easier to buy and sell a few thousand delegates than a hundred million voters. Welcome to the world of money as a form of free speech. Can you afford the entry fee? how much does one syllable or one word cost? Ask the greedy media and other special interest groups. One Trump or Soros is worth how many thousands of mere citizens?
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        I find the whole system is corrupt and rigged, and easily manipulated, but there is no system I can think of that is not so subject when the populace thinks like herd animals.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      John, he is as much a looter as any politician or businessman today (that does not include smaller companies that actually produce) but it is a collection of looter foisted on us, so all there is, isi a choice of the least offensive.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
        Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz or None of the Above which is least offensive or better put which does not conjure up the least evil? Of those four I much prefer the latter but wouldn't turn down the third at least so far. The other three are morally unacceptable full time members of the secular devil's congregation.
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      • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 1 month ago
        Yep, my thought is, between Trump or Hillary, "Damn, we won't even have the option choosing whether we can have Vaseline or not."
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
          Least offensive is another way of saying the lesser evil. Which makes you a supporter of evil or maybe in your system of ethics it isn't evil? Who knows.

          But to go back to Objectivism. If there are three answers right, wrong, and compromise then there are two wrong and one right answers.

          You deserve what you ask for and it's strictly your choice and your responsibility.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
    The conventions aren't about electing the nominees, but about choosing delegates who then select the nominees. You are arguing for democracy when what this nation has always been is a republic.

    Trump is only getting hosed by his own failure to know the rules going in. The rules are in favor of an "establishment" Republican, because they favor someone who has the political ties to the individual voting districts in the various states and not just to the unwashed masses. Cruz is just a better organizer and has a better political apparatus to secure delegates than Trump.

    (For all those who keep arguing that all we need in a President is someone who is a good administrator, I would argue that we also need someone who knows what the rules are. Trump doesn't impress me with either of these skills at the present time.)
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago
      While Cruz' strategy appears to be amassing delegates by taking advantage of the "rules", Trump's strategy appears to be to attack those rules as "undemocratic" and to demonize Cruz and his delegates as being out to "steal" the nomination using underhanded tactics. Both apparent strategies seem to be working, but Trump's costs much less and has the potential to be more effective in the end. If Trump maintains his popular vote lead in the primaries, and someone else turns out to be the GOP nominee, that candidate will be widely perceived as the undeserving beneficiary of a "rigged" process.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 1 month ago
        Possibly, but one can't spend all one's time merely whining - unless one is vying for the Democratic nomination. Republican voters get really tired of hearing the constant complaining. And the process is just as antagonistic to Cruz as it is to Trump - it isn't as if the Republican Party is chomping at the bit to nominate someone as openly critical of both parties as Cruz.

        The other thing that many also overlook is Trump's overall unfavorability rating as it would apply in a general election. Trump's name recognition is already at 100% - yet his approval rating is a paltry 37% and static. That doesn't bode well for his prospects. Only Hillary Clinton has similar numbers.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 1 month ago
    How can I put this? I know...

    The Dems have "SuperDelegates" that are like wildcards thrown in the deck to make sure the political status quo remains. Then they need "Superduperdelegates" whose vote counts for 2 of the regular vote. Then you have the Superdupersecretdelegates whose votes override everything else, they don't have to tell you who they voted for, who paid them off (and how much).

    What we're seeing is the Republican attempt to replicate the "Will of the elect" that the dems run. Hell, they figure, if a handful of superspecial people can determine who will be president on their side, by gum, we should be doing the same thing. Who needs these silly serfs - WE know what WE think is best for them, and they will learn to like it. Sawdust Soup, anyone?

    Vote? People? Why? You think you have a say? Oh wait... Will give you a fake "vote" complete with a voting booth and ballots (sorry, Chad won't be there), none of it's real, but you think it is... And then we have the big TV special and feed you pre-determined programming pabulum to make you think you elected so-and-so... even tho no one voted for them.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Indeed, truth. Makes you think we have a one party system, maybe?
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 1 month ago
        There is no think.

        Then again, that's representative of our single party of 2 names... and those of whom they anoint to govern. No think.

        On one hand, it's evident by what shenanigans they keep pulling on We the People... On the other, it shows how much the "unthink" has become part and parcel of the American Sheep.

        They dictate their will over them, and the sheep bleat their blind acceptance...
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 1 month ago
    So long as Trump doesn't lose too many delegates, this plays to his advantage. He's made political hay out of voters who feel victimized by an elite culture, and he's now showing them that even a billionaire can be "victimized." He's also throwing down the disenfranchised card, with voters having no say in a system run by arrogant party elite who feel they know better who should be the candidate.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      That's a shame for he is certainly no friend of anyone but the left. What's the difference between three post 1965 dimes from three different years? nothing they are all tokens not coins.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      And it all boils down to no real choices. The Republicrats seem good at doing this, almost professional.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
        Again that's your choice not mine. Your ethics not mine and your responsibility not mine. I can't credit you nor absolve you of your own independent action I can only wonder which of three remarkably similar choices, you have confined for consideration, will be your responsibility after the fact. Since they are all Republicrat or DemoDumbo choices.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Oh, I am open to any choice that has a flea fart chance, I would take Ben Carson at this point, even if he has narcolepsy, so did Regan. But at least he seemed somewhat rational, as long as you didn't let his religious side out to play.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
    Cruz is crooked too. He doesnt want the people to decide this. He wants to win by whatever means he can. I would NEVER vote for him, EVER.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 1 month ago
    It has come to pass that to be a politician, is to be a self aggrandizing, devious, seeker of power, fame and loot. There are a few exceptions. Very few. As a result, no matter what system is used, there will be a way that it will become distorted in order to serve not the people, but the politicians themselves. This will continue so long as the people let it continue, living in what has become the myth of a free society. The best that can now be said of America is that it is the country that tried. Tried for that "sweet land of liberty" but let it slip from their grasp.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 1 month ago
    Each party is responsible for determining how they select a nominee. It can be "fair" or "unfair". I think it's a mess and switched to Libertarian a long time ago. The elites in both parties hate when someone tries to crash the party.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Thats true Rich, no arguments. I am just disgusted with the the whole "play by my rules or get out" mentality, which is also the one you get with all politicians as well as government and is why it is not they who serve us, but we who exist to serve them, which is one of the point AR was trying to make. Yet we continue to allow it to go one, because 80% think if you are not one of the 2 identical parties, you just don't matter, not realizing a mass defection to a new one would really shake their trees.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 1 month ago
    I live in Wyoming. At last count, 971 people caucused to make their selection. That's out of 270,000 voters. 0.03%. 99.97% of voters had no say. I know of a family that has to drive 12 miles to vote in an "election;" 65 miles to caucus. I have to drive 4 miles to vote in a election; 31 miles to caucus. The caucus system is designed to be obtuse, onerous, and distractive and make sure those that are conveniently located control the outcome. Let me glean my information as I see fit, let me vote in a "election" and let me participate simply and efficiently. Obfuscation is disenfranchisement.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Obfuscation is control. In case you have not noticed lately, it appears our entire political process is based on control, control of your money, health, finance, retirement, housing, and votes. They make the laws for themselves and screw you. Yet the majority of the sheeple out there want to either be in the black herd or the white hers (philosophically speaking) and it is really the brown herd.
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 1 month ago
        Agree. Obfuscation is disenfranchisement, disenfranchisement is lack of control of your participation. Which is the plan in Wyoming by the GOP establishment and it's what they got.... and I am pissed. However, the Wyoming GOP "convention" was this last weekend and I'm in contact with one of the establishment types and he said that the process would be discussed. Have not heard back from him, as yet, as to the discussion or the conclusions, but I don't hold out much hope. Power is a hard thing to relinquish....
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          And, as Michael and I keep ranting back and forth, they will never do something to simplify and openly be honest in an election. They will promise those smart enough to question, and either mark them to opt into the inner circle or exclude. The majority are just the herd to be herded to the desired conclusion. This is the Republicrat answer to Trump, we will neuter your threat by taking away all the delegates we can, so at the convention, we can get the one we want. I am sure at some point down the road, a memo will be leaked that was sent to all the state party bosses, and everyone will be shocked and dismayed. A sacrificial lamb will resign, and get a job at some company making 500K a year doing nothing, and all will be well again. Call me cynical....
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
            Sounds like the Democrats are running their right wing Republican members in fine style. So much for the left.

            Call me Cyncial Realist
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              Indeed, I do not see you as cynical, things are indeed what they seem to be. When that memo surfaces in a year or two, we will just do a reset and start it all over.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
                Cynical enough to believe and prepare for change by means other than the present system which has evolved into 'an enemy domestic' .

                It does not represent the 46%-50% who don not register and participate at all.

                It does not represent the over 50% of registered voters who now say they will not vote for the top three candidate finalists in the national charade or street theater and number four Sanders gets slightly less than 50% in that category.

                Best way to describe the system?

                "What's it got to do with a constitutional Republic?"

                or perehaps

                "Is that the best it can produce??"

                Cynical enough to look at destroying the present non-system and starting over.

                That's the way I grade a near 20 trillion dollar stated debt a 117 trillion dollar real debt and nothing to show for it.

                Damn shame the military doesn't up hold it's oath of office. Careerists and all.

                THAT's cynical.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 8 years, 1 month ago
    Dysfunctional is the word!

    I came out of a family where reality was very "flexible" and an eternal covenant was easily negated in favor of the "emotion-of-the-moment".

    I have a great deal of difficulty thinking of this country like I think about my family-of-origin but the likeness is so remarkable that it is unmistakable.

    "Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." --- Ayn Rand

    May the Gulch be a haven for people who are devoted to reality and reason...unlike the rest of the world.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 1 month ago
    Given the options, I am pro-Trump. You are right, the system is broken and surprise, surprise, only from our viewpoint. From the viewpoint of the establishment, it is just fine.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      Given the options you picked socialism. Out of five or six choices....or is it seven or eight.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        Michael, ok, you hate the choices, all politicians are socialist, they will take everything from you for what they want, and babble justifications 90% of the sheeple buy into, but his point is: take the turd that stinks the least. The only other option is to either not play, or quit. Either one neuters your political rights.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
          I never use the word sheeple I don't giver them that much credit. I don't hate anyone that's a word found most commonly in supporters of the left. Your idea of eating shit is your idea and it is not the only choice. If that's you r level of ethics and moral values by all means eat shit and don't try to blame the rest of us for your curious sense of morals, values and ethics. Nor blame us for your own independently arrived at choice. The only orders you are following are your own. If that's your decision then munch away. Pointing fingers elsewhere will not absolve you of responsibility nor blame nor award you credit for your actions. Like all of us you are on your own.

          How you explain it to your children and grand children or to the face you see in the mirror is strictly your own independent problem. Including which brand of mouth wash to use afterwards.

          As for your attitude to other choices that's your attitude if you do not wish to choose one of those choices that's your choice. They are still choices. It's all a matter of personal ethics. As for hate? It does awaken a sense of fleeting pity.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
            I think sheeple is a perfect descriptor for the behavior you see. Vote for me because I am Republicrat, Democrap or anything else. That may have had some meaning when each party had a clear, different platform and vision. Now you get a homogenized mish mash of "I'll give you" and "I'll take away". The herd is programmed by the media as to what they want, and they then follow the lead. That is the only way to explain a society that will in majority vote for a felon and clear criminal and delude themselves that "she didn't do it" because they say she didn't. Or vote for the Republicrat religious manipulator who will save Christian America, and the vaguely save it in some form from something. I do not choose to support any of them, however, I also would like to see my vote do something beyond a protest no one hears.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago
    This year's election is a prime example of why political parties shouldn't even exist. Or if they do, they should have only the rights and privileges available to any other private organization, and should have no influence or control over ballot access.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
    I agree, the two party system is done for. Its crooked and doesnt represent us anymore. Trump is right about how it works. Its time to dump the establishment. Interestingly enough, both Trump and Sanders are right about that. Sanders is a wack job on how to fix it, however, and I wouldnt vote for him. I like that Trump brings it all out in the open. THAT might actually get some changes made. If its a democracy that we have, it should be one person=one vote. PERIOD. No delegates, No electoral college
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago
      One person, one vote is not likely to work either, unless we stop allowing political parties to restrict our choices through their control of ballot access.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
        Maybe we should go to online voting, and anyone who registers with the government can run and have their votes tallied electronically. Political parties can still exist, but they would have no governmental powers attached to them. Congress would be made up of senators and representatives as is done now.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Except we apparently cannot figure out a hack proof way to use the internet, on top of which, just as with mail in votes, how do you secure the count? You could have the online voting go one way and the candidate who is chosen is declared the winner by recount or outright. Trust is what we do not have, even less than security.
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  • Posted by bsudell 8 years, 1 month ago
    Each state decides how its delegate system will work. Some allow "winner-take-all;" others do not. If Trump has 37% of the vote, why does he have 45% of the delegates? Because the different states have different systems. Don't let Trump get you excited. He's a whiner. He wants you to get mad if he doesn't win, so you won't vote.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      You are wrong about the states deciding. At best they try and influence but the right to decide how delegates are selected belongs to each political party and no one else. Other than testing the winds the popular vote is the most useless. Always been a lot of whining about it but no one has had the balls to walk the walk and do something about the electoral college system for one. For two not only should the parties have the right to select their own delegates without interference they should also pay the cost especially the costs of appearing on a ballot. Their business their billing.

      Time they quit sticking all of us with the check
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      There are a lot who won't vote if he does win. There are a lot who won't vote period. The problem is the fractious nature of the politics we have, and I think it is being engineered just that way. There is no reason for Jeb Bush to have the huge financial money pot he got from hundreds of big donors, and be such a moron he could not get one primary. Something is very wrong, and the system of primaries is incestuous in that it is by the parties for the parties. I can guarantee even if Trum has all the delegates he needs, they will find a way to have someone else, who may be the one intended from the beginning, this all makes no sense but is a huge cost, and all this money has to come from somewhere by people who going to get something.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
        Since the popular vote is not binding nor even counted in the selection of the president and vice president it hardly matters where it goes. The discussion should be about which electors to vote for if that is the system in your state. As for the electoral college no one not once has put forward an amendment to change that method therefore it's still binding and legal. The rest is just 'talk.'
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          That is the true shame and also the secret they do not want discussed. The EC becomes an issue every 4 years and goes away, and you are right, that is where the power really is. But the sheeple are happy with a year of cheap entertainment, then back to the real business of corruption and stealing money.
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  • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 1 month ago
    You are advocating for democracy, which I think is an evil idea. I'd rather people involved in the party have more of an influence than every shmuck moron that barely has enough intellect to vote. I am not a Trump or Cruz guy. But, I was involved in the Ron Paul campaign locally. We won national delegates through hard work and being involved. Most morons didn't even know who he was or what he stood for thanks to the media. I don't trust my future to idiots that watch FOX news or think we should bomb brown children because.......just because.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      Little confusion in the first sentence.

      Do you mean' advocating' is an evil idea?

      Or do you mean democracy is an evil idea?

      Or do you mean 'advocating for democracy' is an evil idea.

      Thank you in advance for the clarification.
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      • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 1 month ago
        Yes, democracy is evil and thus advocating for it is evil by association.
        I'm speaking of course about majority/mob rule without a check on those voting. Not representative democracy which has inherent checks and systems of recall and veto. I don't trust most Americans to know the basic premisses of government or history or science for that matter. Why would you trust them to vote with any scruples or logic?
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          I assume you mean democracy in the general (one man, woman,child, dog, cat) variety. That is one of the current issues that most people have issues with, the lack of any checks and balances as well as verification. The use of mail in, electronic, and "no verification" voting is one reason the Dumbocraps will win this year, it is pre ordained, when you can have the dead in Chicago vote multiple times and anyone in most staes with mail in, can register and their ballots go to political people who "count" (or recount) them their way. I would say your representative democracy also needs to have strict voting requirements, as well as "the body must vote", meaning you have to go to a poll, prove who you are and are qualified, and then fill out the ballot, of which you can have a copy. Representative Democracy falls apart when the system to select them is bent and twisted. The "make it easier to vote' program just enables all those who are too lazy or even non existent, to pollute the method.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
            I mean a very small 'd' democratic meaning for the reasons stated. and NEVER a large D of any kind. I don't believe in representative democracies as a practical part of a Republic excluding by their own choice or the current laws those not registered to vote.

            Not registered to vote clearly indicates a basic disinterest though I may not be stating this in as exact a fashion as I wished.

            I am not a fan of mail in votes nor mailing out ballots to non verified addresses as their is way to much room for voter fraud. Oregon is proof of that. They have no interest in a being a true democratically selected representative or sub Republican form of government in the Oregon Collective.and are a major embarrassment to those in favor of a free system of government with their pseudo charade.

            As for Chicago who can believe anything from a town that gave us Obama.

            I do not disagree any of what you stated.

            As for former felons the answer is not rocket science. If they have completed their sentence they are re-admitted upon application to the general body politic by applying and that is a simple request to register producing such papers as are issued t show successful completion of sentence. It does not include any form of partial, non-completion nor requiring any form of parole or supervision.

            If states like Oregon can deal in whole sale voter fraud with no means of verification then re-instatement of former convicted felons should not be barred.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              I am not opposed to ex-felons voting, other than the fact that they ARE ex felons indicates they did something so bad as to require a special descriptor. I believe the original idea was bad people should not be allowed to add bad ideas to the mix, but then, that would eliminate virtually all politicians, so go for it.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
                But then it means the notion of corrective punishment or retraining is impossible by definition which means jail forever or capital punishment. Recidivism Rules otherwise. Guess that knocks the social workers and liberal non thinkers ideas out of the ball park.

                I can live with that!

                I'm a supporter of the fly swatting punishment. if society decides the fly is bothering their picnic too much swatSWAT. After all does it matter? They will never learn and it won't change other flies but THAT fly will never bother another picnic.

                Think not reader? What was the name of the last fly you Black Flagged?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
          I would add a move to ensure all states had recall and it be extended to include all delegates to the federal congress by making them employees of the State.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
            I agree, recall can be a powerful tool, but can also be abused . I would limit recall petitions that can only be started by individuals, and can have no direct funding from any group, to limit special interests.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
              Started by any citizen but requiring a number of verifiable citizens signing as for special interest define that term. i would just say open to all citizen legally resident in the area concern..
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                Special interests are those that are groups (not individuals) or individuals with influence/money, who purport a specific agenda irregardless of the damage it may do to others. Usually represented by Lobbyists who are provided excessive amounts of money to contribute to elections, and thus we end up with bought and sold candidates who say one thing and do another (whatever the special interest who funded thier election wants). BS.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
                  Well that describes most of us. Military Retirees but I don't think that's much of a lobby. I'm also a retired union member but don't support them at all, Over 65 but refused that organization too. How about expats?

                  Got it. US Citizen and Constitutinal Centrist by belief ...no organization though.

                  Well that just leaves citizen of USA but that doesn't apply any more etiher.

                  Guess I don't qualify as any special interest.

                  No I forgot the best non-organizatin of all. Resident of Gulchville, Somewhere USA with mail forwarded from Bight, ME. LMAO
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