But then it means the notion of corrective punishment or retraining is impossible by definition which means jail forever or capital punishment. Recidivism Rules otherwise. Guess that knocks the social workers and liberal non thinkers ideas out of the ball park.

I can live with that!

I'm a supporter of the fly swatting punishment. if society decides the fly is bothering their picnic too much swatSWAT. After all does it matter? They will never learn and it won't change other flies but THAT fly will never bother another picnic.

Think not reader? What was the name of the last fly you Black Flagged?

Well that describes most of us. Military Retirees but I don't think that's much of a lobby. I'm also a retired union member but don't support them at all, Over 65 but refused that organization too. How about expats?

Got it. US Citizen and Constitutinal Centrist by belief ...no organization though.

Well that just leaves citizen of USA but that doesn't apply any more etiher.

Guess I don't qualify as any special interest.

No I forgot the best non-organizatin of all. Resident of Gulchville, Somewhere USA with mail forwarded from Bight, ME. LMAO

Add to that initiative and referendum if any exist without those tools.

I mean a very small 'd' democratic meaning for the reasons stated. and NEVER a large D of any kind. I don't believe in representative democracies as a practical part of a Republic excluding by their own choice or the current laws those not registered to vote.

Not registered to vote clearly indicates a basic disinterest though I may not be stating this in as exact a fashion as I wished.

I am not a fan of mail in votes nor mailing out ballots to non verified addresses as their is way to much room for voter fraud. Oregon is proof of that. They have no interest in a being a true democratically selected representative or sub Republican form of government in the Oregon Collective.and are a major embarrassment to those in favor of a free system of government with their pseudo charade.

As for Chicago who can believe anything from a town that gave us Obama.

I do not disagree any of what you stated.

As for former felons the answer is not rocket science. If they have completed their sentence they are re-admitted upon application to the general body politic by applying and that is a simple request to register producing such papers as are issued t show successful completion of sentence. It does not include any form of partial, non-completion nor requiring any form of parole or supervision.

If states like Oregon can deal in whole sale voter fraud with no means of verification then re-instatement of former convicted felons should not be barred.

Started by any citizen but requiring a number of verifiable citizens signing as for special interest define that term. i would just say open to all citizen legally resident in the area concern..

Suits my purposes but the party does not have to accept them. States may suggest but they have no power to control who or whom a party selects as their candidate. Party selects, Electoral College confirms so to speak. Popular vote is at best a guideline which may or may not be used. Winner take all is outright theft.

I would add a move to ensure all states had recall and it be extended to include all delegates to the federal congress by making them employees of the State.

Little confusion in the first sentence.

Do you mean' advocating' is an evil idea?

Or do you mean democracy is an evil idea?

Or do you mean 'advocating for democracy' is an evil idea.

Thank you in advance for the clarification.

You are wrong about the states deciding. At best they try and influence but the right to decide how delegates are selected belongs to each political party and no one else. Other than testing the winds the popular vote is the most useless. Always been a lot of whining about it but no one has had the balls to walk the walk and do something about the electoral college system for one. For two not only should the parties have the right to select their own delegates without interference they should also pay the cost especially the costs of appearing on a ballot. Their business their billing.

Time they quit sticking all of us with the check

Cynical enough to believe and prepare for change by means other than the present system which has evolved into 'an enemy domestic' .

It does not represent the 46%-50% who don not register and participate at all.

It does not represent the over 50% of registered voters who now say they will not vote for the top three candidate finalists in the national charade or street theater and number four Sanders gets slightly less than 50% in that category.

Best way to describe the system?

"What's it got to do with a constitutional Republic?"

or perehaps

"Is that the best it can produce??"

Cynical enough to look at destroying the present non-system and starting over.

That's the way I grade a near 20 trillion dollar stated debt a 117 trillion dollar real debt and nothing to show for it.

Damn shame the military doesn't up hold it's oath of office. Careerists and all.

THAT's cynical.

Sounds like the Democrats are running their right wing Republican members in fine style. So much for the left.

Call me Cyncial Realist