My Odd Utopian Dream

Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 5 months ago to Ask the Gulch
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More and more lately I have been having this odd, utopian dream. I’m curious if others have too. Without getting into it very much, I have been to the belly of the beast here in the US. Corruption and disdain for liberty, families and children (things I value) is surprising when you see it in person. Granted, I had to go places where few dare tread to see it: governmental organizations, a Federally-backed health organization…heck, even some at our local school district. As a result, I regularly spend some time researching other lands with hopes of finding something better.
In a rare silent moment recently I envisioned a place much like the Gulch. Imagine actually living in a place where kids were really safe to run around, where taxes were extremely low or purely voluntary, where the government (what little there was) didn’t spend an ounce of energy pitting citizens against each other. While it seems like a pipe dream I remembered a small community where my grandpa owned a cabin when I was growing up. It was on an island up in Puget Sound. The community was left alone by the government, the homeowners there would occasionally make some decisions by committee, the people there would manage their own infrastructure, etc, and kids (especially me) would roam free. It really was magical. It has since been altered by a turn-over of citizens, replaced by a new generation that has lost any grasp of what could be – what once was.
My question is – Is there any place on Earth like that anymore? I’ve heard murmurs of places like Uruguay, New Zealand, Chile, Ecuador. Is there any place really run under the rule of minimal government, maximum liberty? The lands south of here seem to offer a steady diet of crime. It appears that pockets of Chile may fit the bill. What say you? Is there no place left for this wild idea that people should be left alone?


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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a nice island out there now that's looking for citizens. I looked into it. Problem?...It has an elected ruler located in either New Zealand or Australia (I forget). I'll look for the link. See...Everywhere you go there are people lined up to be your leader.

    Here you go: http://www.pitcairn.pn/
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 5 months ago
    What you described is my home town growing up in the 50's.
    I too, have been wondering the same thing, I find myself coming to the conclusion that we need an uninhabited island...perhaps between southern south America on the western side and southern Africa on it's eastern side...it's seismically and climatically safe with many small islands south of the equator...haven't had the time to investigate though. Every other area seems to have one problem or another or at least in danger of having those problems.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like the idea, actually. However, there are too few Objectivists. Maybe that brings us to the kernel of my question...
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  • Posted by handyman 10 years, 5 months ago
    I encourage other Objectivists to stop thinking in terms of some geographically isolated place for their ideal place to live, raise families, practice whatever skill/talent/profession you wish to, find like-minded friends. Instead figure out ways to develop and nurture it in-place, i.e. right where you are. Find other Objectivists, then find things you have in common and enjoy doing in addition to your shared philosophy. Then seek ways to expand that (dare I call it) community. The possibilities are endless. Just think of what kinds of activities you would benefit from if you had a growing number of reasonably nearby Objectivists with common interests! Just a few of them might be education, both for children and for adults; opportunities for trade; leisure time activities with like-minded people. The list could go on and on, limited only by participants imagination and energy.

    Yes, you will still have federal, state and local taxes and regulations. But, if you are successful in growing the community, think of the impact you can have on local and county government. The important thing is that you will find yourself in a community that is trending toward the kind of culture you seek.

    What think you a about this?
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 5 months ago
    Deep in the Amazon, there are tribes that have no contact with the outside world and are even protected from such contact.
    But I don't think I'd do well with blow guns and darts and a diet of monkeys and fruit.
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