Did Bush Lie About Iraq?...

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years ago to History
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The answer is No...this is a good reflection on why he didn't lie.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 8 years ago
    I never thought he lied but it did become obvious that they had no clear plan on how to deal with a post Saddam Iraq. For all of their bloviating Obama, Biden and Hillary made a similar mistake in Libya, No plan just war.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years ago
    Well, that lady showered me with facts only to reinforce what I've thought all along.
    And I was already thinking that there is a big difference between a mistake and a lie before I heard her say it.
    I do have another observation about that: It is the professional liars (politicians/media/Soros type dudes) who call Bush a liar.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years ago
    One of my former students found some of Saddam's weapons in Syria. Of course, none were found in Iraq. How long was it that we telegraphed we were going in there? 1 year?
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    • Posted by Dobrien 8 years ago
      Exactly, he had so much time to hide everything that none were found, should be no surprise.
      The more important point is who pushed us into
      that war with no end planned, when all we ultimately did was create instability and more hatred of the US.
      I know it was the weapons dealers.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
        I agree and disagree. It was the left wing socialist corporatists trying to feather their nest in both directions at once
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        • Posted by Dobrien 8 years ago
          I am guessing because it is unclear to me from your response: that you agree Saddam had time to hide the WMD's, but you disagree that the weapons dealers (intelligence agencies) used their influence. Ah, so tell me your basis that cause you to disagree and why the "left wing socialist corporatists" are not the weapon pushers.

          Or is it vice a versa.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
            WMD has three component parts. Biologic, Chemical, Nuclear. Two were clearly present. (but the left doesn't count them) Evidence of the third was present (but not to the extent required by the left which must be at the level of detonated device)

            Your last sentence echoes my statement and answers itself Therefore need not be answered. The left are weapons pushers but they manage to blame it on others. The gun running Attorney General is fine example of that twisted mind set.
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  • Posted by Lucky 8 years ago
    Good article.
    I agree the answer is 'No'.
    Chemical weapons were used and there is strong evidence of research on biological weapons.

    This is an interesting contrast with opinions on Iran. The Iranian government say they are not producing nuclear weapons. Bush's successor does not confirm or deny but seems relaxed either way.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
    Does it matter? Probably not and highly likely it's a spin on what is a lie and what is the truth by the left which for certain sure is not known for it's allegiance to anything factual or truthful. To the point it's almost an accolade to be called a liar by the left since one automatically assumes they are being, as usual, deceitful. By the standards of any decent member of society. Stupid is as stupid does and scum grows where it breeds the best. But stupid scum is at best a joke. Which describes those who take it seriously.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years ago
    The most telling aftermath of the collapse of Iraq was an interview with Saddam's former nuclear weapons research specialist. After centrifuge components were found in his back yard, he was asked what had Saddam planned. He explained that the plan was to hide all of the components of the various WMD research projects until the UN finished its inspections, then pull them out and continue WMD development.

    Part of what fooled the CIA was a very convincing psyops effort by Saddam to convince Iran (his primary adversary) that his WMD programs were very much active. Saddam was an expert at Middle East intrigue, and used every element of deception to keep his enemies at bay. Unfortunately, he was too convincing, which led to disaster for Iraq.

    The mistake in the aftermath was to disband the entire Iraq military, on the grounds that there were too many Baathists in the ranks. Since the military was the backbone of the power structure, that left little to rebuild a new government. They should have followed Patton's model, which used many former Nazis to rebuild Germany, because they had the knowledge.
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years ago
    I don't believe Bush lied but I suspect someone lied to Bush. I have no proof. It is opinion based on my trust of government and of course I could be wrong.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      I observed that Prager outlined the case acurately.
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      • Posted by edweaver 8 years ago
        Okay, I now watched it. And I saw nothing in it that makes me change my mind. Personally, I did not believe it from the very beginning and until cold hard truth is presented, there is nothing that will change my mind. IMHO, Saddam was a bad man but we took a region that was fairly stable and made it a disaster. Of course, Obama has made it worse but we need to stay out of other people business.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
      edweaver...My memory of the time is that our CIA lied when they told Bush that there definitely were WMDs found in Iraq. I remember thinking that someone from the CIA,. Director Tenet for example, should have gone to jail permanently for such a story. But no one was punished, or even accused. The president could hardly be expected to go to Iraq and search, but he is expected to appoint competent and honest aides...perhaps there are no such people in the Federal government..or perhaps my memory is faulty. Memories are not as lasting as lies. As usual, names were changed to protect the guilty..
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
        And there were so .....the rest is just crap.
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        • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
          Michael Aarethun....Amen.. Don't forget to vote and vote as though your life depends on it for it soon will. regards, roneida
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
            My life does not depend on my vote. My honor and integrity does depend on exactly that. Any vote for Clinton, Sanders, or Trump would destroy any morals, values, standards, honesty, integrity, and claim to being a redponsible citizen and therefore any vote from me would be cast to destroy everything the three of them are...and support the USA not the USSA.
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            • Posted by term2 8 years ago
              Too bad there are so many trump haters. Hillary is going to be the end result of it, and that will be the end of the country. Trump would have slowed down the destructive process but the trump haters are irrationally putting their hatred for trump to overcome their hatred for Hillary
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              • Posted by $ 8 years ago
                No hate, no one on the right or the middle wants to physically harm him, (a requirement for hate), we just don't care for his lack of principles and he is a narcissist just like balmy, has lived on the left and prefers to sit at tables with un or less successful people than him so he can feel superior. Not the kind of guy I want to represent America.
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                • Posted by term2 8 years ago
                  So you would rather Hillary or Sanders perhaps? Trump is 1000 x better than either of them. The essence of Trump is that he is standing up for us against the establishment (which I doubt you like either). I have to give him credit- he is spending his own money that he made and he is withstanding a barrage of "hatred" that I have never seen before in politics. If he walks forward, he gets disparaged; if he walks backwards, he gets disparaged. He says the things that a LOT of us are thinking anyway. Hildebeast certainly isnt saying ANYTHING I want to hear, plus she lies and manipulates and twists and hides.

                  And at least he had a chance to be our next president, for a change. Just how bad could that be? I fear the haters will make that impossible, and we will be stuck with the evil witch woman Hillary to stick up for Goldman and wall street- not US.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
    Statist coverup BS.
    This is the same old tale that the statists trot out to cover the guilty asses of the looter scum in charge.
    "Our information was incorrect, but it came from good reliable sources and we believed it."
    BS
    Still lying.
    Misguided good people? BS
    Cui Bono.
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    • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
      I agree. Enough has now come out about Bush and the establishment wanting to invade Iraq from years before 9/11 and 9/11 gave them the opportunity. Bush sure as hell knew what he was doing.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
      freedom for all...you are right..Bush was lied to by the CIA and director Tenet who should have been fired, jailed and turned over to ISIS....Presidents have to trust many advisors and when those advisors lie, they must be disposed of as any garbage. no excuses.
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  • Posted by ISank 8 years ago
    I like that Preger begins with the need for clarity, and honesty. That's where the leviathan has failed us. The book "Legacy of Ashes" tells the horrible tale of this motley crew.

    Go Syracuse!
    iSank
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  • Posted by term2 8 years ago
    The government gained too much as a result of the incorrect WMD call. I would conclude the government just force fed the story even tho they knew it was wrong
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  • Posted by chad 8 years ago
    It was advertised for 1 year that the US was coming, giving time to hide or eliminate WMD's. The US knew he had the weapons, the weapons were purchased from the US and the technology to produce and use them came from the US. Sadam had used the weapons to kill the Kurds 12 years prior to the second invasion of Iraq and did not prompt a second invasion then. The fact that Sadam had these WMD's seemed irrelevant. Was there some other line Sadam had crossed to initiate another invasion? Why do WMD's matter? If you are killed by an act of violence would you prefer being shredded by hot steel or killed by chemicals? It seems to be a distinction without a difference.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
    How can any of us know if Bush lied? Given the nature of government in general and Bush in particular, I would vote yes he lied.

    "Even the worst dictators convince themselves that their war mission is justified, if not noble. Does anyone think the war promoters in or out of government, such as the neoconservatives who provoked the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, have a sense of guilt for the carnage and the economic havoc their wars have brought?"

    Paul, Ron (2015-07-17). Swords into Plowshares: A Life in Wartime and a Future of Peace and Prosperity (Kindle Locations 773-775). Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity. Kindle Edition.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      WMD's Did in fact exist and he used them prior and would have again...as to his Saddam involvement in 9/11...that's a whole another story
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      • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
        I have seen no evidence of that. Cheny even said (talk about fallacy) that the fact none were found proves they were there. Evidence of nothing proves nothing.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years ago
          isis found them up north and some of Saddam's stash was in Syria...reason tells you that if he used them on his people then he had them and they certainly existed.
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          • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
            I guess part of discussion has to be the definition of the WMD and the other part is upon the evidence available. Why did Cheny say what he dif if there were such WMD? My answer is he got caught in the fact there were none. Also, at this point, who cares? It is time to get all the establishment people gone and start a fresh batch in the US
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            • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years ago
              After Desert Storm we and the British were doing continual overflights of Iraq and destroying factories we at all distrusted. They could barely get so much as pharmceuticals in the country dependably. Saying they ahd WMD that could possibly be a threat to the US was a quite ridiculous and very bad joke.
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        • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years ago
          Combined with the historical facts of the times it is all the proof you need if you are silly enough to attempt to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on those that assert the positive. They failed to do so so it was not so. Case closed.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
      Esceptico.. President Bush would have certainly been impeached had he done nothing about 9 1 1...All the brave and tough guys forget how scared America was after that unbelievable, terrifying attack. Had Bush found out it could be blamed on a country, he could have secured a mandate to carpet nuke that country,,.. but there was no such country to blame...just a bearded, rag tag bunch of dedicated men who pulled off the greatest military strike of the human race..evil or not,, it was scary...Anyone pretending that America was not hot for revenge is lying or was asleep. What you have done to retaliate??? have peace talks?
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      • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years ago
        Doing "something" if it is a wrong and irrelevant something is much worse than doing nothing. What he did created much more incentive toward desperate actions including terrorism. And he blew a couple of trillion$ pounding sand. There was zero evidence Iraq had anything to do with 911. There was and is plenty of evidence implicating Saudi Arabia.
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        • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
          So you believe that there was no hatred against the US until Pres. Bush retaliated for 9 1 1..??? What in hell prompted 9 1 1/ Bad manners. insults?? Just guys having fun??

          If you know of such "evidence implicating Saudi Arabia, for God's sake get it to Obama so he can deal with it firmly and efficiently as he and Kerry always do.Look how safe we are now that they took all nuclear capabilities from Iran for ever.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years ago
            Saudi Arabia is referred to as funding terror in the 9/11 report...all the way back to Lockerbie.
            I don't know if that's true or not.

            But what I do know about history is:
            Muslims, islam "Hated" America from 'our' day one, ( we had never had contact with these pagan barbarians)...after paying them ransom for years until Jefferson became president he; created a Navy and kicked their butts..."The Halls of Montezuma" ring any bells.
            In fact, the quran, islsm and muslims (except those that do not buy into it hook line and sinker) have it in for everyone...including themselves.
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            • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
              Uglyoldcarl...Well written and thought out..You've been reading my mail...sadly for America, our type of thinking is now politically incorrect and we must not speak evil of the evil for fear of hurting their feelings and making them commit atrocities. I trust no countries to the east of central and South America. Don't forget to vote. roneida
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      • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
        19 of 20 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. That was the source, but where did Bush attack? Iraq. The plans to invade Iraq preceded 9/11 by years, and 9/11 provided exactly the excuse to attack. The Alliance for War and Empire loved it.
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        • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
          When Iraq started the first Gulf war by invading Kuwait??, Saudi Arabia allowed Pres. Bush Sr. to move our troops through Saudi Arabia to drive the Iraquis out if he promised not to cross the border of Iraq with our troops. When our troops reached the border, Bush Sr. called a hal;t as he agreed and the war was over in a month or so. Pres. George Bush, could hardly attack Saudi Arabia after that act of trust, especially when our CIA under George Tenet lied to him about WMD's being in Iraq. There was no proof that the Saudi government had any hand in 911 even though the Bush haters want it to be true,
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          • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
            Why is that part of the US business? I don't think we should have been involved in the first place. Not our fight.
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            • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
              Esceptico...Per haps you are correct. Many believe the US should not look beyond our own borders except for Great Britain. I do not know. we probably got involved in Kuwait over the loss of oil supply.. I think tiny Kuwait is a major producer. All of the western countries, especially US and GB, made serious mistakes in the mid east after winning WWII, but if we had not, all the major oil reserves in the world would now belong to Russia or China.. we should have stayed out of there and continued with coal fired ships and trains and forgotten airplanes.
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              • Posted by Esceptico 8 years ago
                Perhaps, but at the highest time of when we imported oil from the mideast, it was about 15% of consumption. This could easily been either purchased elsewhere or consumption adjusted to the reduced supply --- it would have a whole lot cheaper over all than the war was and still is. Only the Alliance for War and Empire could justify an invasion.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years ago
    Yes. For that matter his dad lied to build up support for Desert Storm. It is very common for politicians to lie in support of wars and other military aggression. Anyone aware of conditions in Iraq especially after Desert Storm knew the purported threats of an attack against the US mainland were hogwash. Anyone that understands anything about the nuclear industry knew that yellow cake is proof of nothing. Before the invasion I predicted > 100,000 Iraqi civilian deaths. I was off by an order of magnitude underestimation. I am very ashamed of this episode in US history.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years ago
      Do you believe that the 9 1 1 attack had nothing to do with anything ?? Was it a fraternity trick??
      What has America gained in the way of profit or empire building or fattening the Cheney-Bush bank accounts? I have not heard of any gains for anyone from this whole mis-adventure. The current temporary occupier of our White house was elected on the blow back from this and everything else he could blame Bush for, and he hasnot done much to change things, in fact with his limp wristed management, things are worse. We are now viewed as limp wristed and effete...
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