Rush Limbaugh & Ayn Rand agree on direction of American society

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Most of us have shared our opinions about the self-destructive path America is on financially. Yesterday Rush Limbaugh echoed us.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 10 months ago
    Look at the great civilizations that have grown up from wilderness, make a great mark on the humanity of their day and then collapsed from one cause or another. If you examine them you will find the each one failed from internal rot and there were two things that marked the rot within - the murder (sacrifice) of newly born children, and a embracing of homosexuality.

    It would not be hard to stretch the sacrifice of newborn children into the modern equivalent, abortion. How many potentially great men and women have been murdered on the alter of inconvenience since SCOTUS blew RvWade?

    Now we are assaulted on every side by homosexuality. At least if we could back out for a generation, that would end. LOL But, no, like cancer it's eating away at the foundations that built our country. Now businessmen are being enslaved to serve these people or face imprisonment. Being forced to violate their religious beliefs and their personal moral standards or go to jail.

    The path is clear, we ARE on a road to doom if we do not change our direction and stand up to oppose these things. The rot goes on.
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    • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
      Nonsense.
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      • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 10 months ago
        You had best look at reality. Rome Greece Egypt even the Brits although they kept it hid. Every one of them.
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        • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
          maph seems to have a problem with reality.
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          • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 10 months ago
            I seem to recall that he's a college kid, no life experience. Check with him in 30 years.

            There was a time when universities taught Western Civ in a manner that revealed exactly what caused these great civilizations to fall, but today, teaching history as it really was is verboten. EVERYTHING is couched in a politically correct manner, even to the point of not teaching all of history. Mustn't injure the little dears psyche and we certainly don't want them EVER feel they are wrong. That's why 2+2 now equals 3 or 6 or 5 or whatever leads them to be happy and feel wanted. GAG!
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            • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
              I don't know what Maphesdus' background is, and I won't comment on what he wrote. However, what StarGeezer wrote about Western Civ in today's culture is true now at most universities. I have talked with a couple of our Western Civ faculty about this at Florida Tech, and fortunately at MY university, they teach history as it really was.
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              • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
                History is written by the victors. ;)
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                • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
                  Indeed, history is written by the victors, and at this point, we have lost that fight. I don't agree with several of Maphesdus' other claims, but this one is spot on. I am just glad that it makes my university stand out as a lone beacon a little bit brighter.
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                • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 10 months ago
                  You are claiming that the liberal socialists who are corrupting school textbooks were the victors? I rather think we allowed them to get a bit of authority and like our anti constitution president they have a pen and a phone, but the truth is not in them. I suppose you enjoy being lied to? Being deceived while you are trying to be educated? Just how does it feel to be their chump? Rejecting truth because you don't like it is just so very sad.

                  It seems to be your chosen path since you even fail to understand that Britannia no longer rules the world as it did 200 odd years ago. Also Nazi Germany was never a world power. It was a warring nation that conquered about 60% of Europe, but it never commanded any great amount of world trade and since it's total economy was based on weapon production to the exclusion of all else. It did a lot of harm in the world but that was all.

                  I can't believe you missed my references to the civilizations that shaped our civilization. Those are the nations that commanded the majority of civilized people in their day, not lad mass.

                  So, I must ask, have you studied western civ yet? Even though it's such a corrupted study today, if it's a class you've somehow missed, you owe it to yourself to take. I have retaken it 4 times over the past 40 years since I like learning different professors particular interests. But I won't again until we can take back our universities. It's a great study that will ground you in how our civilization can to be. But there just might be too much truth there for you to handle.
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        • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
          Post-hoc reasoning. The fact that event F occurs before event Q does not necessarily mean that event F caused event Q. There's plenty of other stuff in between that you're not accounting for.

          Ancient African tribes believed that a solar eclipse meant the Sun's fire had been extinguished, and that it needed to be reignited by shooting flaming arrows at it – which they did, and it was always "successful."

          Also, I'm not sure you can say Britain really collapsed. From what I understand they just gradually stripped away the powers of the monarchy until the king and royal family were simply figureheads, and transferred actual power to the Parliament. Maybe I'm off on that, though. I could be wrong. British history is a subject which I admit I am a little fuzzy on. Perhaps you can fill me in on some of the details?

          As a side note, I would like to know how your theory accounts for the fact that Nazi Germany rounded up homosexuals and sent them off to death camps right alongside the Jews, Jehovah's Witnesses, immigrants, and vagrants. How does that factor in?
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
    I greatly dislike Rush Limbaugh, but I can't argue that our nation's financial situation is incredibly dire. As long as the Federal Reserve exists (or any other central bank), economic crisis will continue to happen.
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    • Posted by $ 11 years, 10 months ago
      I am in complete agreement about the Federal Reserve. What is it about great producers that turn them into philanthropists, and, in some cases, progressives late in life? Interestingly, one of the great producers of all time, JP Morgan, paid off the entire federal debt in The Panic of 1907. Many people see JP Morgan as having essentially funded the Progressive Era. An in-law of John Rockefeller helped start the Federal Reserve. Rockefeller made huge donations to scholarships late in his life. And Andrew Carnegie was the biggest funder of libraries. Nowadays, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett felt (in the Atlas Shrugged sense) the compulsion to "give back to society". I have a hard time seeing how this is in their self-interest, although I have been told by other Gulch citizens that it is possible for to be in their self-interest.
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        Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
        There are many things Ayn Rand didn't understand. The role of generosity in leadership and in life is one of them.
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        "What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal."
        — Albert Pike

        "Since you get more joy out of giving joy to others, you should put a good deal of thought into the happiness that you are able to give."
        — Eleanor Roosevelt

        "No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave."
        — Calvin Coolidge, Former American President

        "You have not lived today until you have done something for someone who can never repay you."
        — John Bunyon

        "Giving frees us from the familiar territory of our own needs by opening our mind to the unexplained worlds occupied by the needs of others."
        — Barbara Bush

        "Remember that there is no happiness in having or in getting, but only in giving. Reach out. Share. Smile. Hug. Happiness is a perfume you cannot pour on others without getting a few drops on yourself."
        — Og Mandino

        "Think of giving not as a duty but as a privilege."
        — John D. Rockefeller Jr.

        "We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
        — Winston Churchill

        "He who cannot give anything away cannot feel anything either."
        — Friedrich Nietzsche

        "The value of a man resides in what he gives and not in what he is capable of receiving."
        — Albert Einstein

        "Not being able to do everything is no excuse for not doing everything you can."
        — Ashleigh Brilliant"

        "The only gift is a portion of thyself."
        — Ralph Waldo Emerson

        "Unless we think of others and do something for them, we miss one of the greatest sources of happiness."
        — Ray Lyman Wilbur

        "Believe, when you are most unhappy, that there is something for you to do in the world. So long as you can sweeten another's pain, life is not in vain."
        — Helen Keller

        "The best way to find yourself, is to lose yourself in the service of others."
        — Ghandi

        "Listen with regard when others talk. Give your time and energy to others; let others have their own way; do things for reasons other than furthering your own needs."
        — Larry Scherwitz

        "When you become detached mentally from yourself and concentrate on helping other people with their difficulties, you will be able to cope with your own more effectively. Somehow, the act of self-giving is a personal power-releasing factor."
        — Norman Vincent Peale

        "You will discover that you have two hands. One is for helping yourself and the other is for helping others."
        — Audrey Hepburn

        "We should give as we would receive, cheerfully, quickly, and without hesitation; for there is no grace in a benefit that sticks to the fingers."
        — Seneca

        "I expect to pass through this world but once; any good thing therefore that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again."
        — Etienne de Grellet
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        • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 10 months ago
          I think AR understood the 'role of generosity in leadership and life' very well. Under the term she chose to represent it, 'altruism', she defined it as the greatest evil in humanity.

          Not agreeing with your philosophy, if that's what it is, does not equate to not understanding.
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          • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 10 months ago
            Forced altruism in the form of government is what is evil. Individuals, choosing to perform acts of charity for their own reasons, is not.
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          • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
            I don't think that altruism is necessarily the same thing as generosity.

            But regardless, Ayn Rand never owned a company, never operated in a management position over other people, and never held any leadership position that had any real responsibilities. As such, her theories about what was supposedly necessary to succeed in business all come from a position which lacks any real world experience.

            If you really want to know what sort of qualities one needs to reach success, it's best to ask someone who's actually been there.

            http://www.leadershipnow.com/leadershipq...
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            • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
              And they would say that was she was right. She had logic. Something you lack on occasion. You like to argue against business owners all the time. Where's you "experience" coming from?
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              • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 10 months ago
                I don't remember AR writing a book on how to reach success or purporting to be a business person or leader, and I fail to see what that has to do with the topic of your comment. If you don't think generosity isn't the same thing as altruism, why then did you cite so many statements of altruism in your comment from such a wide array of altruists?

                As to the 'sort of qualities, one needs to reach success', I would proffer that Ayn Rand was a very successful author and an amazing philosopher.
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                • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
                  The quotes I cited above were about generosity. I don't know where you're getting the idea that they have anything to do with altruism. If you can read those quotes and call them evil, then your moral compass is broken.

                  Anyway, as far as Ayn Rand's quality as a philosopher is concerned, I would put her on about the same level as Immanuel Kant – some interesting ideas, but some not so great ones, as well. And yes, she was definitely a highly successful author. Of that there can be no dispute. Her books sold incredibly well, she made very healthy royalties off of them, they are incredibly popular, and have remained so for over five decades. In every method by which we can measure the success of an author, she has excelled. If I wanted advice on how to write a best-selling novel, I would not hesitate to ask for her advice (were she still alive, of course). But if I wanted advice on how to build and run a successful and profitable business, or how to be an effective leader, I would ask someone who had actually done so, not someone who had merely written a fictional story about doing so.

                  I would also treat several of her ideas about government and economics with a heavy dose of skepticism, as they have yet to be empirically tested or proven. Theory is great, but it can never match real world experience.
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              • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
                I'm sure some would, and they could even potentially have success they didn't delve too deeply into her philosophy, or only accepted it partially and combined it with the wisdom of others. Alan Greenspan seemed to do pretty well, but then he did drift away from her philosophy after he left her circle. Though I can think of at least one CEO who drove his company to ruin by trying to exclusively follow Ayn Rand's philosophy to the letter. *cough*Sears*cough*

                Plus, there's also this:
                http://www.businessinsider.com/ayn-rand-...

                Don't get me wrong. I think Ayn Rand's stories are great. Her writing is a wonderful resource if you want to get inspiration for literary prose, and can even help introduce one to certain philosophical concepts. But if you seek genuine business acumen, there are other resources which have a better track record of success.
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                • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 10 months ago
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                  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 11 years, 10 months ago
                    "So under the guise of free-market individualism, Lampert has established precisely the opposite: submission to the whim of an all-powerful ruler."
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                    Hehe, sounds like a description of Ayn Rand's own philosophy club that she ran back in the day...

                    At the end of the article, the author says there are "many other businessmen with very successful records who are Ayn Rand fans and understand the real message of her novels." However, I noticed that he conveniently failed to list any of them. Perhaps you know of some?

                    Anyway, that was a great article. Thanks for sharing. :)
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