Mississippi Governor Signs 'Right to Discriminate' Bill Into Law

Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 1 month ago to Legislation
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*sigh*

Looks like we're going to have an extended battle all the way to the Supreme Court. Oh well, I guess that's what it takes to preserve human rights in some states.


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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Still waiting on those challenges, Maphesdus.
    An ethical and responsible answer might include agreement that you cannot find the evidence you claim at the very least, an agreement that the concept (not 'me") is correct and your original idea incorrect, if you cannot meet the challenges poised.
    It may be common for people to go silent in text discussions when they cannot answer a challenge of that sort, but the end result is that there is only one conclusion to be raised: You do not have the evidence for what you claim, yet. (Note the yet, as things change and I've been in that situation before).

    So I state here, apparently unchallenged, that a private business NOT covered by the Commerce Clause of interstate business (thank you, Maphesdus, for bringing up that factor), does NOT have to give service to anyone, nor do they need a reason.

    Now at the same time, I would, in my personal business and that of any employee I have consider it unethical to refuse service. If a person of faith had difficulty serving a gay customer, I would switch them out but WITHOUT apology to the guest. I do not owe them not to hire theists nor to magically detect their sexual orientation and supply them with those who do not feel contempt toward their lifestyle. Freedom is full of unpleasant things.

    We need to learn to deal with that instead of trying to force, by law, everyone to behave the way we want.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, businesses don't even owe potential employees to be hired without bigotry - except for protected class individuals, from a legal perspective. Morally, I'm with you, but not legally.

    Why do people feel compelled to put the disclaimers about not being against gays? It shouldn't matter, so long as I don't use force against you.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Or even better, a gay baker or photographer. The Nazi's hated and eliminated gays as well.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Who said that it had any influence or was a basis of argument? In fact, if their customers choose to frequent other businesses, and this one goes out of business as a result, that would be the free-market and free peoples taking action.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, but for a small business owner like a cake maker or photographer there is an association and it's personal. It's not simply a business transaction. The baker gets forced into personally making a cake against his/her will and the photographer must attend an event against his/her will.

    Hey, if a neo-nazi group wanted to celebrate Hitler's birthday, would you sue a jewish cake decorator for refusing to make the swastika cake or a jewish photographer for refusing to photograph the festivities and making nice little commemorative albums?

    Heck, I'm not jewish and I'd tell those creeps to hit the road!
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Holy moly, Eudaimonia! Thanks for the link. These people are the new "Inquisition". That is, they can make anyone guilty of something as long as they define the rules and torture long enough to establish what it is their poor victim is guilty of. All they have to do is publicly hang a few genuine baddies to establish the credibility to hang anyone they wish.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years, 1 month ago
    This law is minimally good but bad in other respects.
    Anyone should have the legal right to discriminate against anyone for any reason, as long as he is not violating another's rights to life, liberty, POH.
    But this restricted law is absent rational motivation, complicates enforcement of said right, and shows hatred for a particular group.
    This is an example of politically-driven law that has been killing the Republican party.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    No doubt. We are over-regulated. Please elaborate. Must a restaurant owner do business with an obnoxious drunk that runs off their other clients? Must I do business with someone that does not pay on my terms but drags out payment?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't know who or what "OP" is, nor do I answer for anyone other than myself.

    That said, I'm certainly not hurt.

    The facts are:

    1) Eich provided a donation to a group that he supported (a relatively modest one in the grand scheme of things - it's not like he was single-handedly forcing the issue).

    2) At the time, the majority of Californians had the same point of view, as evidenced that they passed the measure. That's not to say that the majority is right, just that Eich was no extremist.

    3) The LGBT community has exerted pressure on Mozilla and other companies to force out people that do not hold their view, and to boycott companies that either espouse the same or have prominent leaders that do. That is their right to do so, I have no problem with that. I do see it as hypocritical that they demand tolerance of their view but do not tolerate those that have an opposite view. Even when those who espouse that opposite view take no actual action to actualize that view, unlike their opposite number.

    4) In any case, Eich resigned, so I don't know what the overall fuss is about, other than the intolerance of the LGBT community to opposing views.
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  • Posted by g4lt 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    quoting OP: " I noticed at the bottom of the webpage a link to an article about Mozilla’s CEO getting bounced out of his job for merely sending a $1,000 donation to to a campaign to ban gay marriage in California,". Not my problem if you go out of your way to be butthurt for things other people said.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    He was not fired. And how do you know I had nothing to do with Mozilla? It would seem that you are interjecting yourself into something in a fashion that you accuse me of doing. Hypocrite be thy name.

    If you'll look over my posts, you'll see that I in fact have said that it's the boards decision. But in fact, Eich resigned, so they didn't even make a decision. Please arm yourself with the facts if you want to have a rational argument.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Since nature would support procreation, which is impossible in same-sex relationships (naturally), it would seem un-natural for such relationships - since there is no way to continue such for many generations. Thus it must be either a "defect", an acquired affliction, or a choice.
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  • Posted by g4lt 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In the case of a private firm doing something to somebody else? Exactly where I am right now, on the sidelines, enjoying the schadenfreude.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Can't answer? Throw homophobe name bombs and run away? So do most terrorists, only they don't use words. The results can be just as devastating to people and their lives. This bill tells the good people of Mississippi that they can do business with who they want without fear. It also affirms that religious leaders and churches can be free from assaults based on so called sexual intolerance.

    We know that quiet force is being brought to bear on churches to force them to perform homosexual marriages, that's what this whole marriage thing has been about. Although I am not any church or denominational leader, I can assure you that the forces are gathering to stop any such attempt. You will not corrupt all churches such profane acts.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Remember that anything that the force coercion can swing with the help of one group of "useful idiots" can force to swing the other way with another group of "useful idiots". Today the "soup de'jure" are homosexual rights, tomorrow it might be socialism or communism, or even religious intolerance - where would that leave you?
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Hrmm... using Marxist shibboleths like "Social Justice" and citing the Southern Poverty Law Center as a legitimate source.

    I've been away a while.
    Is this Maphesdus with a phantom account?

    Here's the real skinny on the SPLC from David Horowitz's Anti-Communist website.
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/print...
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  • Posted by g4lt 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    you can cry foul until you're blue in the face, at the end of the day, this was a personnel decision by a corporation, Mozilla has the right via "employment at will" to fire Eich for any reason it sees fit, or no reason at all, and you're trying to insert yourself into the decisionmaking process with no previous stake: you neither invested in Mozilla nor recommended Eich to them. Frankly, it's their business, you should mind yours.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You have already established that I am someone who is not going to be overt. The question is WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN THUMP YOUR CHEST?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no such thing as "separation of church and state." The 1st amendment says that the federal government may not establish a state religion. It does not prohibit any and all things that might be considered to have a religious connotation.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Loose cannon? For making a "small" donation to a cause that was espoused by his faith? I find you more of a loose cannon for such posts than I do Mr. Eich.
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