Mississippi Governor Signs 'Right to Discriminate' Bill Into Law

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 3 months ago to Legislation
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*sigh*

Looks like we're going to have an extended battle all the way to the Supreme Court. Oh well, I guess that's what it takes to preserve human rights in some states.


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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hardly think a donation like this qualifies as being a loose cannon. Your point though about employers needing to protect themselves is a good one. Unfortunately this kind of thought fascism will result in organizations with limited initiative and creativity. It also creates wishy-washy leadership that is prone to go any way the wind blows.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The southern poverty law center is nothing more than a private organization which is in no way empowered to designate any organization as hate or non hate. It is just a bunch of pointy headed liberals pointing fingers at groups they do not agree with.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your point is exactally on the mark. The homosexual lobby is particularly enamored of the idea that rhe rest of us not only accept but embrace their lifestyle and that the constitution somehow requires this. However, The federal government through workplace regulation and the civil courts has significantly reduced freedom of speech and association through threat and intimidation in the court system. Try one day calling a female co-worker toots!
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not that can reproduce. Show me the offspring of a homosexual union, living, able to breed and I'll step down. But you and I know this CANNOT happen. It is perversion, lust and sexual desire, but NOT science. There are TWO sexes.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    1) It does have more than one definition.
    Challenge: Post ONE that shows that "discrimination" means "to engage in persecution".
    Post your source, please.

    2) We discriminate all the time. I have no interest in having a black male carry my baby, in a Chinese female play Hamlet, or in a former criminal baby sitting my daughter. We have every right to choose these things and often good reason for doing so. Ignoring our differences completely is silly.

    3) Yes, it is an association:
    2 a connection or cooperative link between people or organizations: he developed a close association with the university | the program was promoted in association with the Department of Music. (Apple Dictionary, but feel free to look elsewhere).

    4) CHALLENGE: Find me ONE LAW that forces people to serve customers they choose not to in the United States.

    You claim: "They can choose their clients and their partners, but they cannot choose their customers."

    That has no basis in any law I have ever seen. Please post accordingly, or I must assume you made that up completely, which will make my point just fine.

    The Civil Rights Act of 1964 covers PUBLIC, not private institutions. Only in cases dealing with the Commerce Clause could the law be applied to private businesses.
    Otherwise: "In the landmark Civil Rights Cases the United States Supreme Court had ruled that Congress did not have the power to prohibit discrimination in the private sector, thus stripping the Civil Rights Act of 1875 of much of its ability to protect civil rights. The Supreme Court has subsequently struck down parts of civil rights laws on the grounds that the Fourteenth Amendment does not give Congress the power to prohibit private sector discrimination."

    Even then, it means: "We the reserve the right to deny service to anyone,” as long as the business does not discriminate based on the race, sex, nationality, or religion of the patron and again, covered by the Commerce Clause between states.

    It says NOTHING about objectionable behavior.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So it's not a birth defect, which I agree, it'd not a genetic condition since there are actually only two sexes, You have stated elsewhere it's not a disease or a medical condition that can be treated with medicine, which I also agree. So what we are left with is - surprise - a lifestyle, a choice, a decision. I believe that it may be more of a state of confusion, but whatever the cause, the result is that being homosexual is a choice. A dang poor one in my opinion, but I really don't care what floats your boat until it interferes with my choices, including who I will do business with - or not.
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  • Posted by barwick11 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maph: How am I persecuting you by not serving you in my business?

    Am I persecuting you if I never start my business? Do I exist to serve you?
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Does that include being persecuted by people who want you to be their slave? If you don't want to work for somebody, but the gov. or legal authority says you must or suffer fines or imprisonment, aren't you being enslaved?

    I know you won't understand this, it's called being free to decide your own destiny. You want every businessman to be enslaved to work for people who's lifestyle they disagree with. THAT sir, is persecution.
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  • Posted by g4lt 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ...except that abortion is an extension of the right to privacy as decided in _roe vs wade_, under the ninth amendment's reservation of rights to the people. So, no, the tenth amendment's reservation of powers doesn't trump the ninth's reservation or rights. Had you not used the ambiguous "19 enumerated rights" (they're enumerated POWERS, powers don't trump individual rights), it would have been painfully obvious vice obvious to anyone who'd actually read up on the issue and not had it spoonfed to them
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The word "discrimination" has two definitions. One definition means to simply make a selection, while the other definition means to engage in persecution. In the context being discussed in this topic, I am using the second of those two definitions. And the opposite of "persecution" is not total acceptance of everything, but rather freedom from bigotry.

    And no, a business transaction is not an association. Business owners do not get to choose who they do business with. At least not completely. They can choose their clients and their partners, but they cannot choose their customers.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Business transactions are not associations. Also, many businesses have engaged in discriminatory activities in the past, and still retained a regular customer base. The argument that discrimination will always automatically lead to bankruptcy has no basis on any real world evidence.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism. Brendan Eich can express whatever opinion he wants, but that doesn't mean people can't ridicule him for it if they disagree. All freedom of speech means is that the government cannot imprison or fine you for saying certain things. Given that the government took no action against Brendan Eich, his freedom of speech was never violated.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That actually depends upon what the reason is that an individual is being asked to leave. Some reasons are legitimate, while some are not.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If there is a law which says all businesses must serve everyone equally, then such a sign is no longer necessary.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Laws of men will always be morally lacking, as men are morally lacking. Only the Law of a supreme being can be constant.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Downvote for calling homosexuality an affliction and a birth defect. It is neither, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for labeling it as such.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Serving a particular type of product is not the same as denying service to a particular group of people. The distinction is very clear.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The FRC is an anti-LGBT hate group. They're even officially classified as such by the Southern Poverty Law Center. If you've paid even a single iota of attention to the FRC's actions, that fact is undeniable.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem with that becomes deciding what morals to act upon. What one person thinks is morally right, another may think is morally wrong. The lack of a single unanimous opinion among various members of society is what necessitates a higher authority (i.e. government) to create a unanimous rule which all must follow, whether they agree with it or not.
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  • Posted by $ iamfrankblanco 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All? So the right to regulate abortion? Federal law dictates when and how a woman may exercise that right. I don't remember states having individual thresholds for "viability of a fetus".
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