Slavery and Rebellion

Posted by jalibah 8 years, 10 months ago to Government
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I started a different thread about open debate and quiet opposition, but it broke off into a tangent about America's history of slavery. If we understand AS, it will not be long before we are all slaves to the state. They take half our money, tell us what kind of toilets and light bulbs we can use; what kind of speech is acceptable; force us to buy govt approved healthcare . . . . Now the govt has the capability of spying and arresting those who disagree with their agenda. How much more does it take before we are no longer considered free (I contend that though we have some freedoms, we have not been free in decades)? Do we continue to support the system and allow it fester (Reardon); do we continue to debate openly and mark ourselves as targets (Roark - Galt had to hide to survive); or do we band together in secret and oppose quietly?

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  • Posted by ShruginArgentina 8 years, 10 months ago
    I don't think there is any real danger of being arrested for disagreeing with "their" agenda (the FEMA camps can't hold 49% of the US population), but so many regulations are being created and implemented that it is already almost impossible to know about or comply with all of them.

    Eventually, paying anyone but the government for health care will probably be criminalized. This will happen when private health insurance companies (already demonized for increases in premiums) have been driven out of business and paying a doctor or hospital out of your own pocket becomes a crime (Hillarycare will follow Obamacare if she is "elected" in 2016).

    I think the term serf is more appropriate than slave. Individuals will not be bought or sold by anyone but they will enjoy less and less freedom as their individual rights (and subsequent freedom to act of their own volition) are violated and/or destroyed.

    Jalibah, your last sentence raises several questions:

    I remember that, in order to have his design built, Howard Roark allowed Peter Keating to put his name on a public housing project but I don't recall that he went into hiding in order to survive. Did he?

    Reardon continued to work, but was Reardon's motive to "support the system" while it "festered" at an accelerated pace thanks to John Galt? I ask this because even though I don't live in the USA, I don't think continuing to live and work there (including complying with the regulations) means an individual "supports" the system. (I did not leave the USA in protest in 2000, but I'm glad to be where I am now.)

    How would members of this website "band together" in secret...unless they founded their own real-life Galt's Gulch...or joined me in Argentina ;-)?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      Peter Keating's name was put on the project, but it was altered from Roark's design so that subterfuge did not work. Roark was open and targeted - Galt went into hiding, until his broadcast, then he was targeted . . . I may not have made that distinction very clear in my original comment. Reardon did not understand that his actions were prolonging the system - Francisco warned him of that but Hank would not listen with comprehension because he could not yet wrap his mind around the monstrosity of the evil. Of course Francisco had to be schooled by Galt and Mr. D'Anconia didn't want to believe it all (we have to assume he understood much of it before John brought him the rest of the way).
      You are right, "serf" is a better word, but the implications to our freedom is not much different. Banding together is needed, but how is it done in secret? The NSA has access to all these websites though I would be surprised if they were actively monitoring them . . . too much information out there. Of course, advances in technology will make this easier all the time.
      How are the copper mines doing down there?
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 10 months ago
    We exist under pale shadow of the freedom our founders fought for. It is but a hollow shell of what once was.
    We must do all we can to fight the loss of liberty and speak proudly of what we believe.
    Even the ostrich must pull his head out eventually.
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