The Leonard Peikoff/David Kelley intellectual exchange
Get Past Dr. Peikoff's territorial defense of his leadership of Objectivism; discover David Kelley's superb exposition of Objectivism in our lives...
Many decades ago, now, when David Kelley published his brief essay, "A question of Sanction," he expressed ideas that went to the essence of Objectivism. And he expressed those ideas with remarkable logic, eloquence, historical context, and many examples. Then, more than a decade later, in 1990, he published the book-length "The Contested Legacy of Ayn Rand." That book is work of philosophy of the first rank, addressing fundamental Objectivist ideas, supplying their historical context, and, above all, examining ideas at work in the world in the lives of individuals, Objectivist and otherwise. In one sense, it is a shame that this book, necessarily, is identified with a specific dispute, because in itself it ranks as one of the foremost expositions of Objectivism. If you have all of Ayn Rand and all of Leonard Peikoff, you can find much in this book to arrest your attention and advance your grasp of Objectivism.
In view of the discussion, here, I went back and read Leonard Peikoff's "Fact and Value," which I first read the week it came out in "The Intellectual Activist." Any Objectivist, and certainly I, can agree with 90 percent of the essay as Peikoff rolls on and on rehearsing the Objectivist epistemology and meta-ethics. It is the 10 percent or less of the essay characterizing David Kelley's view, moral condemning him, excommunicating him from Objectivism, and dismissing him and his followers as evil—simply worthless to Objectivism—I do not exaggerate, here--that stops me cold. Very cold.
I could cite ideas, judgments, as the reason—and they are at the heart of the discussion, of course. But what made me feel as though there must be more than one reality is that I did not recognize the David Kelley, in any way, in Peikoff’s characterizing. I already had been studying Objectivism since 1962, when I read “Atlas Shrugged,” and had read every work of Ayn Rand, every issue of the “Objectivist Newsletter,” attended Ford Hall Forum… and I had known David Kelley for some years and had hundreds of hours of conversation with him.
Yes, Peikoff professed to identify underlying premises and to discover new fundamental errors—and claimed to be seeing them for the first time—but his statements about Kelley’s specific views had no application.
Does that mean that nothing really was in dispute here? No, that is not true. Amidst all the mischaracterizing and condemnation, Peikoff identified a basic, enduring difference between his views and those of David Kelley. When we hear an individual’s statement of his ideas can we usually rapidly and with confidence decide if he is mistaken or intellectually dishonest, given the nature of the ideas can we conclude without further investigation that he is an evader, anti-reason, anti-reality, and evil?
Or in most cases, as Kelley argues, should we engage in dialogue, even when the ideas espoused are repugnant to us, to see if the individual is mistaken, confused, but open to reason—or, and Kelley said over and over again—until we conclude the individual is evasive, anti-reason, willfully ignorant, and so evil?
That is a genuine difference of opinion. And one issue is how do we judge the workings, context, of another person’s mind to become certain that he is an evil evader? Or, as Dr. Peikoff suggests, in the case of most philosophical ideas it is obvious from the nature of the ideas themselves [intrinsically] that they are evil and anyone who espouses them is evil?
Because I had seen again and again David Kelly begin a calm discussion with an opponent, listening, summarizing his understanding of their views—and, in many cases, but not all, very rapidly moving to a tough, demanding criticism of his opponent’s evasions, repeated contradictions, and dubious motives. Indeed, in this regard, we viewed him, in those days, as a very scary interlocutor—courteous, willing to listen, but relentlessly focusing in on evasions. The little cartoon created by Leonard Peikoff had not application to this man.
I will not try to summarize an entire book, the brilliant “The Contested Legacy of Ayn Rand,” but here are a few suggestive paragraphs from the introduction: “In regard to the mental actions that produce ideas, I will show that a philosophical conclusion rests on an enormously complex process of thought in which honest errors are possible at many points. In holding that most positions at variance with Objectivism are inherently dishonest, Peikoff is, once again, giving voice to intrinsicism—a belief that the truth is revealed and that error reflects a willful refusal to see. In light of the objectivity of knowledge and the distinction between error and evil, I will show in Section IV that tolerance is the proper attitude toward people we disagree with, unless and until we have evidence of their irrationality.”
This, then, is the heart of the discussion, and you could do yourself no greater service, after reading Dr. Peikoff’s “Fact and Value,” than to pick up a copy of “Truth and Toleration.” The lingering tempest over Dr. Peikoff’s attempt to expel David Kelley from Objectivism—a power that Dr. Peikoff discovered he did not possess—rapidly fades into the background as you engage with this unique exposition of Objectivist ideas, how they play out in our lives, and how we live in world of non-Objectivists.
Many decades ago, now, when David Kelley published his brief essay, "A question of Sanction," he expressed ideas that went to the essence of Objectivism. And he expressed those ideas with remarkable logic, eloquence, historical context, and many examples. Then, more than a decade later, in 1990, he published the book-length "The Contested Legacy of Ayn Rand." That book is work of philosophy of the first rank, addressing fundamental Objectivist ideas, supplying their historical context, and, above all, examining ideas at work in the world in the lives of individuals, Objectivist and otherwise. In one sense, it is a shame that this book, necessarily, is identified with a specific dispute, because in itself it ranks as one of the foremost expositions of Objectivism. If you have all of Ayn Rand and all of Leonard Peikoff, you can find much in this book to arrest your attention and advance your grasp of Objectivism.
In view of the discussion, here, I went back and read Leonard Peikoff's "Fact and Value," which I first read the week it came out in "The Intellectual Activist." Any Objectivist, and certainly I, can agree with 90 percent of the essay as Peikoff rolls on and on rehearsing the Objectivist epistemology and meta-ethics. It is the 10 percent or less of the essay characterizing David Kelley's view, moral condemning him, excommunicating him from Objectivism, and dismissing him and his followers as evil—simply worthless to Objectivism—I do not exaggerate, here--that stops me cold. Very cold.
I could cite ideas, judgments, as the reason—and they are at the heart of the discussion, of course. But what made me feel as though there must be more than one reality is that I did not recognize the David Kelley, in any way, in Peikoff’s characterizing. I already had been studying Objectivism since 1962, when I read “Atlas Shrugged,” and had read every work of Ayn Rand, every issue of the “Objectivist Newsletter,” attended Ford Hall Forum… and I had known David Kelley for some years and had hundreds of hours of conversation with him.
Yes, Peikoff professed to identify underlying premises and to discover new fundamental errors—and claimed to be seeing them for the first time—but his statements about Kelley’s specific views had no application.
Does that mean that nothing really was in dispute here? No, that is not true. Amidst all the mischaracterizing and condemnation, Peikoff identified a basic, enduring difference between his views and those of David Kelley. When we hear an individual’s statement of his ideas can we usually rapidly and with confidence decide if he is mistaken or intellectually dishonest, given the nature of the ideas can we conclude without further investigation that he is an evader, anti-reason, anti-reality, and evil?
Or in most cases, as Kelley argues, should we engage in dialogue, even when the ideas espoused are repugnant to us, to see if the individual is mistaken, confused, but open to reason—or, and Kelley said over and over again—until we conclude the individual is evasive, anti-reason, willfully ignorant, and so evil?
That is a genuine difference of opinion. And one issue is how do we judge the workings, context, of another person’s mind to become certain that he is an evil evader? Or, as Dr. Peikoff suggests, in the case of most philosophical ideas it is obvious from the nature of the ideas themselves [intrinsically] that they are evil and anyone who espouses them is evil?
Because I had seen again and again David Kelly begin a calm discussion with an opponent, listening, summarizing his understanding of their views—and, in many cases, but not all, very rapidly moving to a tough, demanding criticism of his opponent’s evasions, repeated contradictions, and dubious motives. Indeed, in this regard, we viewed him, in those days, as a very scary interlocutor—courteous, willing to listen, but relentlessly focusing in on evasions. The little cartoon created by Leonard Peikoff had not application to this man.
I will not try to summarize an entire book, the brilliant “The Contested Legacy of Ayn Rand,” but here are a few suggestive paragraphs from the introduction: “In regard to the mental actions that produce ideas, I will show that a philosophical conclusion rests on an enormously complex process of thought in which honest errors are possible at many points. In holding that most positions at variance with Objectivism are inherently dishonest, Peikoff is, once again, giving voice to intrinsicism—a belief that the truth is revealed and that error reflects a willful refusal to see. In light of the objectivity of knowledge and the distinction between error and evil, I will show in Section IV that tolerance is the proper attitude toward people we disagree with, unless and until we have evidence of their irrationality.”
This, then, is the heart of the discussion, and you could do yourself no greater service, after reading Dr. Peikoff’s “Fact and Value,” than to pick up a copy of “Truth and Toleration.” The lingering tempest over Dr. Peikoff’s attempt to expel David Kelley from Objectivism—a power that Dr. Peikoff discovered he did not possess—rapidly fades into the background as you engage with this unique exposition of Objectivist ideas, how they play out in our lives, and how we live in world of non-Objectivists.
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1st, religion is not even a philosophy.
2nd, "complete" here simply meant covering all branches of philosophy with all fundamental principles addressed. Nothing that can be added would be fundamental.
How could it simply be a "label"?
That is not to say the Peikoff has not also contributed a number of things to Objectivism.
I am sometimes asked by a young person, usually by one who I have acquainted with the works of Rand, what are my thoughts of her?
First, I compare Rand to Newton. I do so because I judge them both as geniuses. Though Newton’s citation is indisputable, Rand’s remains contentious – except of course in the minds of people such as myself.
Newton desired to be a scientist, one focused on the enormity of the universe. He brought to his desire a set of visions - curious and exciting fantasies of his imagination concerning gravity and motion. He pursued this curiosity with insatiable passion and intelligence. An intelligence of such focused greatness, that as it was called upon by his steadfast belief in his visions, it facilitated his devising of the Calculus in order to demonstrate and prove said visions were true!
Thanks to Newton, the mind of Man is now able to peer into the universe as was previously impossible.
Rand desired to be a writer, one focused on the heroic nature of Man. She brought to this desire a set of visions - curious and exciting fantasies of her imagination concerning philosophy and happiness. She pursued this curiosity with insatiable passion and intelligence. An intelligence of such focused greatness, that as it was called upon by her steadfast love of her craft and of the human potential, it facilitated her devising of an entire philosophic system of thought in order to demonstrate her ideals were true!
Thanks to Rand, the mind of Man is now able to articulate Existence and Man’s relationship to it, as was previously impossible.
I also compare Rand to Wright – as in Frank Lloyd. Again, both were geniuses. Both brought a set of visions to their love of craft. While Rand turned her vision into literary works of art, Wright turned his into physical works of same.
Wright's personal life was filled with bizarre events and relationships. So too was Rand's.. Having employed a long-ago student who studied under Wright at Taliesin in the design of my home in Georgia, given what he told me and from what I have read, I would not have enjoyed being around Wright unless the object of our joint interest was Architecture.
Likewise, from what I have read (and seen), together with what has been conveyed about Rand, I would not have enjoyed being around her unless our joint interest was some aspect(s) of Philosophy or Writing. Her personal life seems to be one of emotional “shambles,” with virtually all who chose to remain around her sharing in part of said shambles – shambles invariably centered on her inescapably-powerful presence.
Anyone who continues to believe that she married Frank O’Connor because she “loved him,” consistent with the romantic love she portrayed in her novels, is representative of what amounts to adherence to religious catechism. In my opinion she married him because her extension on her Visa was expiring, together with her on-going rationalizations that his physical appearance was representative of the kind of man she imagined he must be. This rationalization seems to have been retained “on faith” as she evaded the realization of what he actually was in that regard. Barbara Branden confirmed as much when she asked Rand what led to the decision that she and Frank would be married? Barbara reports Rand as responding, “I don’t remember how the question of marriage came up.” …….. Really?!!…………
While the above may seem “critical” of Rand, it is I suppose – but only in a VERY limited context. She will undoubtedly be someday recorded as one of the greatest intellectual forces in history – with unprecedented philosophical achievements in epistemology, morality, and political integration of same - along with her best-selling seminal novel(s).
Peikoff will become a footnote, representing her “smaller” reincarnation, representative perhaps of Branden's term "social-metaphyscian." Kelly on the other hand as her true heir – uniquely establishing proper CONTEXTUAL existence to her sole absolute of reason.
Thank you again WDonway!
Dave
That said I have some minor points where I think or know that Rand made some mistakes. She was a human after all. None of them are foundational and all are trivial compared to her incredible accomplishments.
1) Open vs Closed Objectivism - This debate often features people discussing different definitions of open and closed
2) The question of whether libertarians (conservatives, socialist) are inherently evil because they hold these ideas. Peikoff demanded that Os no longer talk to libertarian organizations.
ARI acted as if I needed to serve some sort of apprenticeship. I can tell you there is no one at ARI or anywhere else that knows more about patents/IP and objectivism than I do.
I doubt I am the only one who has felt this way over the years.
In this context, an error would mean an inconsistency within her writings. I don't know of one found yet, and knowledge is contextual: Objectivism is how she presented it, along with clarifications by others, until proven flawed.
If so consider it inserted.
This seems the same error that many people make when confusing science 'facts' with the scientific method.
It's hard to not notice the irony of the pervasive, often obsessive bitter, contemptuous personal sneering at Leonard Peikoff and the Ayn Rand Institute by some of the advocates of "toleration" still going on and being promoted after so many years, including David Kelley's own recent accusation of ARI as "Putinesque". Everyone else is going about living their own lives and pursuing their own values without this open personal feuding that is constantly being stoked from one side and ignored by the other.
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