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Robert Heinlein, et al.

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 2 months ago to Books
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We can and will add others whom we acknowledge or even admire, but I am willing to bet that of all the science fiction writers, Heinlein is held in the highest regard here.

"I would say that my position is not too far from that of Ayn Rand's; that I would like to see government reduced to no more than internal police and courts, external armed forces — with the other matters handled otherwise. I'm sick of the way the government sticks its nose into everything, now.
The Robert Heinlein Interview (1973)"
-- https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_...
(But even this one resource provides a rich array to choose from.)

Every law that was ever written opened up a new way to graft. -- Red Planet (1949)


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fat chance of that.. Not. "Based on a novel by...or an act of congress by....." Could turn AS into Das Kapital.or Mein Kampf
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is what makes the series so enjoyable, the bad guys are rather bad, but the good guys are also sometimes less than good. But they are always clearly tied to the story and crafted well. David Weber consistently generates good, well thought out stories, but he is declining lately. I just never got into the Safehold series, or the War Maiden ones. He has not had a new HH book in 2 years, and is trying to supposedly bring together the various arcs in a couple more books and be done.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just re-found my copy of Revolt In 2001 now I have four versions of the future. Rand, Caldwell, Kornbluth/Pohl, and Heinlein. get 'em while you can they seem to be more sparse than normal
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 2 months ago
    A book by Heinlein was the first non-trivial book I read at age 7. It was "Have Spacesuit, Will Travel". I gobbled up everything else I could find by him as soon as I could find it - which took a while in the pre-internet days of my youth. Heinlein's stories are full of real heroes and admirable people.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Clarification -

    By "Good" characters I mean well written and fleshed out enough they become believable and take on a life of their own in your imagination. Whether their actions are something you judge right or wrong is irrelevant to what makes a good character.

    A character you despise is just as important to a well told story as a character you love. We just identify more personally with the ones we like.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The main character's first name was well taken. As you said, well laid in the series.

    Good characters give a story so much more life and longevity.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both. if you read a bit further the Constitution makes the distinction....somewhere around the part with the yankee devised 3/5ths rule.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you want to change the education system, promote homeschooling. That's the only way to stop the BS.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Jubal was the star of the book for me. I still remember him saying something to the effect of, "I refuse to wallow in the woes of 2 billion people." (Now, 7.3 billion...) I think of this whenever I read the news, because that is what they serve us.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was a great morning read, Michael!!! Thank you so much.

    My father (and his) were Mustang Mavericks, then: started enlisted and worked up from there. But my father was fond of saying that while he appreciated the presence of his parachute, he never liked the idea of jumping out of 'a plane with two perfectly good wings'.

    Thank you for clarifying the terms. And for the poetry.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    By "freed-men" in that law were they only referring to slaves? Or were they including released indentures? Or indentures only?
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I could not believe his wife allowed it, the Heinlein Foundation was supposed to protect the properties. I hope she was misled by them, because that movie and the follow ons were bawful.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The value of personal integrity is well laid in the series, Honor basically shoots a worm of a man in a duel, and does it knowing she will be cashiered, but does it on principle, making almost a whole book of it. Lots of personal ethics and choices throughout, and the value of owning your own actions.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes,they have been pounding on it for about 18 months, the biggest issue was they did not want to use just the first book, as most of it is a long stern chase, but was needed to show HH's true. A real genius would take it on as a TV series, and it could easily outdo Game of Thrones, if done correctly.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Peter F. Hamilton does a fantastic job on a similar level with the Commonwealth Saga, which is several books that should be taken in sequence. I was thoroughly impressed with how he kept the whole thing together.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Which book was that? The last 5 or so, especially with the whole Muadib degenerating thing, got confusing towards the end, you never knew who was the "good" ones, but clearly knew who the "bad" ones were. Although the whole thing is resolved in the last book, you almost feel like the ones in the middle were just there for bulk or something.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Might be worth it, I find Jubal to be an honest person who has figured out how dishonest the system is, and uses it for his and his clients own purposes, while the politicians are so high in the sky, they can't figure out what is going on. Very appropriate for today. What happens to Mike is a lot like what happens to anyone who dares to disrupt or challenge the system.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One to do with fighter planes and the other to do with enlisted promoted to commissioned

    Me Mum was a Brit, her brother flew spits
    but first a hurricane one or two.
    Me Dad was a yank she became oneas well
    and a warbride to add to the stew
    He worked for the mighty bomber command
    midst myriad fighers and odds and ends
    and never flew....but his brother did
    and shot down an eM262
    now his brothers were navvy
    and it half drove him crazy
    when his son took up jumping
    with more take offs than landings
    which most any leg could do.
    Try landing without those shiny wings
    'tis enough to make the angels sing
    But all was well as everyone knows.
    Paratroops go home with the belles
    and the whistles it takes to get them
    And that my dear friends brings us back
    from the end back to the very start.
    Winning the hand and the heart
    of young foreign young maidens is
    the lot of the jumping commandos.
    Only surpassed by the guy in the corner.
    Eat your hearts out and cry legs
    anyone can take off and fly
    but it takes a real soldier
    to land in a parachute.
    That's as good as I'll write this night


    So cheers to the War Brides we knew.

    What kind of 'son'
    I might have become
    without those wings of silver
    Now some would say
    we needed a test
    of mental ability
    But some are green
    with low esteem
    and the green you see
    is not a real beenee.

    Cheers to your Mum !!!

    and the gods of bad poetry

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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One of the British TV shows I watched had a conscientious objector who volunteered to defuse unexploded bombs. That way he could spend time trying to keep people from being killed and no one would call him a coward.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    UH. Well. My dad dated from the Army Air Corp circa 1930...so it may be an oldish term.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In some ways she preceded Rand in the fiction genre but then to Rand fiction was a vehicle to present philosophy. Two great writers. Buried under tons of fascist socialist garbage.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ghengis Khan and an interesting individual belonging to a group known as the Minute Men. Before the left turnend it the word into a something far different.
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