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Robert Heinlein, et al.

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 2 months ago to Books
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We can and will add others whom we acknowledge or even admire, but I am willing to bet that of all the science fiction writers, Heinlein is held in the highest regard here.

"I would say that my position is not too far from that of Ayn Rand's; that I would like to see government reduced to no more than internal police and courts, external armed forces — with the other matters handled otherwise. I'm sick of the way the government sticks its nose into everything, now.
The Robert Heinlein Interview (1973)"
-- https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_...
(But even this one resource provides a rich array to choose from.)

Every law that was ever written opened up a new way to graft. -- Red Planet (1949)


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  • Posted by dekayz 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was actually turned onto Heinlein by an English teacher, sophomore year in HS. Martian Chronicles and Childhood's End were required reading (she was obviously into SciFi) and I came back with "what else you got?" She gave me Stranger in a Strange Land and The Moon is Harsh Mistress. I always got more out of the suggested reading than the required.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the imperial parliament representatives were most often people who neither lived nor worked in the boroughs listed. they were most often inherited or purchased. the worst were known as rotten boroughs.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not from accident of birth but from attaining full citizenship involving a voluntary contribution NOT cash.but time in some sort of service. Property as a measure only works when their is full property ownership which does not apply in the USA. think not...try not paying your rent t the government - property tax. pc definitions screw you over every time.
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  • Posted by jsw225 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's why I said "Net" tax payers. Take how much you pay in taxes, subtract how much the government pays you...
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This obtained in the regular and reserve ranks of the Army by requiring one of the following. For the new soldiers a switch to 12 weeks Basic of which the last four are 11B+ training or for some Heavy weapons or indirect fire weapons. They are awarded a Permanent MOS of 11B C or H. and sent on to their specialized training for some even more infantry oriented skills the rest clerks or what have you.

    For those in the service a division of those too far along the career path and to close to retirement to who are not replaced just retired at the earliest opportunity. Regardless of rank 20 years and phased out. The remainder under go two to four weeks of infantry training including APRT (physical testing) and weapons qualification ANNUALLY rotating and the requirement is they pass APRT, weapons qualification etc. annually and weight control or be passed over for promotions, all schools, and not allowed to re-enlist or if commissioned are just released. What you end up with is a reverse of the seven to the rear 1 forward ratio of combat ready troops. What would they do?:

    One is provide their own unit's security when in the field which affects some unit's nearer the 'front lines' A ban on the use of combat units to provide security or ash and trash details goes into effect.

    Secondly a ready pool of trained and deployable replacements. Eachi non combat unit would be required to maintain a roster of the stay and go members. Infantry needs bodies the go members go... the stay members continue the mission. mission essential numbers would of course vary but half the administrative or cooks and drivers and clerks staff would be about right. Too include Pentagon units.If someone is in a school or on leave etc. they are replaced with another name. One day a clerk in the Pentagon next day a member of 1st squad 2nd platoon Company A, 1st Battalion, 1st infantry Regiment. En route. with A and B bag. This means immediate deployables have shot records, gas mask optical inserts, wills, already done all the time.

    4th Division or 5th Corps or whatever needs security troops they provide there own from the same lists.

    etc.

    Nothing the Corps hasn't been doing successfully for two centuries.

    given ten years or so the phase out /in is complete. How do you tell those deployable. The ones that are wear Berets the one's that aren't where overseas caps or baseball caps. The want to play 'elite' they get to do it for real.

    A cut from the past higher numbers of 30% total strength would then have been acceptable, Divisions etc. manned and ready. And computer systems brought in to take up the slack when deployables went forward.

    Annual training includes at least one week long field exercise.

    Same for reserves including guard units.

    Bingo 7 to 1 ratio tooth to tail available and 3 to one ratio combat units to rear echelon units.

    Civilian employees counted as part of the rear echelon numbers.

    Don't like it....hit the bricks. Part of being a volunteer force

    That was a fast exercise in leadership decision making. Before refinements Any so called leader that couldn't have reached that or a simiilar plan in one minute or less should be part of the automatic 30% cuts.

    Air Force and Navy same thing with Naval Infantry and Air Infantry personnel trained for base and port and shipboard protection and security. Easily done using Marines or US Army Special Forces intitially then Armiy or Marine drill instructors to bring them up to speed.

    One more thing. USMC made a separate department. Under the above paragraph they wouldn't be needed as babysitters for the Navy anymore. As the Presidents own they would retain the Embassy and White House and Camp David function IF needed. No sense carrying a good thing too far...
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The interesting discussion there is why he wrote of them as failing. In my opinion he went that diection in the belief that removing all want was a social negative ultimately. Removing want also removes most forms of motivation for people. Self motivation is still there, but that is an awful thin reed to prop up a society.

    (My opinion, your mileage may vary)
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was using IRS as a generic term there. Every state calls theirs something else. The federal IRS will be keeping their baleful eyes on you too, especially rental property owners, to take a cut of any profit you might make.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Depends on the state. Different laws in different jurisdictions. Where I live the local government puts a lien directly. After some period they have other options.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The reason? To divert any reading of the book. Pop cultural beliefs in the USA state if you have seen the movies you have lived the book.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I suspect the attack was initiated by the monarchies to stop the spread of a threat to their own existence AND to keep their large bodies of m'litary employed.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe I have the wrong story, but I was referring to his son. In the book, the wife and son play cards. Junior blames Dad for building the family home near Cheyenne Mountain and does nothing else but complain all the time. After being thrown into an alternate future, their nemesis actually set things right by sending them back to the moment with Heinlein and his daughter's girl friend starting over with his grandchild and his child by the girlfriend. The son and the wife are left behind. In fact, the son chooses to stay as an emasculated slave... Was that not the way it went?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is a fallacy that "no true libertarian" likes the Federalists. The US and the UK are more alike than they are similar to any other political tradition. Whatever our grievances leading to the War of 1812, the Monroe Doctrine would have been meaningless without the British Navy to enforce it for us. They also abolished slavery before we did.

    If I could take a wrench and screwdriver to history, I would settle "taxation without representation" by creating the British Commonwealth in 1770 with an imperial parliament uniting republics around the globe.

    (And I would have ignored France and Napoleon entirely. It was not the worse thing to happen to Europe. There was no reason for the UK to attack France over their revolution.)
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Are you saying it is impossible to reach people and have them agree to this perspective? I don't follow you that it cannot be done. Why then was Atlas Shrugged written and the movies produced? I suspect we are talking past each other.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I can recall some real issues where school librarians did not want to have specific books, and wanted ones that parents objected too. All in politics of course, I think your overall view is valid.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, that was about it, in fact their support of the British would be about the same as letting ISIS set up camps here. I have a very good history of the War of 1812, it really ought to be a complete program in schools, not that history is taught there anymore, but very revealing as to the problems then vs today.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really reccomend the Lazarus Long books, if only because he is such a fun character, who is not afraid to be himself. Sometimes he is an idiot, others he is a genius. That was when RAH went a little off to the liberal social side, but I think he felt it was matched to the same philosophy as TMIAHM.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Asimov, like many other science fiction authors and futurists, were guilty of what I call "binary thinking." They postulated a future with two societies of humans in opposition to robots. We're already witnessing a blurring of the lines between the electronic knowledge systems and humans, as smartphones and mobile computers of various sorts connect us to an immense database of information. Soon technology will enable direct brain interface to that universal information source. Where that will lead us is to a very different future than classic fiction has assumed.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But since there is no such thing as true land ownership voluntrily serving where ever assigned is a mighty fine way to separate the unqualified to send others to war from the qualified.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The book was on three levels. High School , University , and politically/morally astute. The movie(s) were intended to prevent the reading of what was considered major anti left wing thinking but true to Hollywood's regard of the part of the population that matters it was a series of cheap productions with a cheap cast and cheaper writers and crew the worst of which portrayed battle tactics as a cheaply choreagraphed off broadway insult.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is learning mathematics important enough for survival to be mandatory ? Is literacy important enough for survival to be mandatory ? Is understanding the value of individual liberty and free markets important enough for survival to be mandatory?
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