My favorite professor in college used to say that all major engineering (mechanical) developments came from locks, clocks and firearms. Was accurate for a while. As much as people note that such inventions are irrelevant due to modern electronics, this is wrong. These mechanisms may be used for other applications, outside timekeeping. There have been so many times I have personally watched (no pun intended) someone recall technical wisdom from an old design that has been forgotten over a generation gap, but fundamentally applicable to a modern problem, and when this happens, it is generally a solid breakthrough.
Also, the timepiece was critical to navigation. Latitude can be measured by celestial data, but longitude cannot. There is a book called "Longitude" describing the fundamental effect timepieces had on navigation. http://www.amazon.com/Longitude-Geniu...
The inventor of the chronometer, the subject of this book, is the John Harrison I referred to earlier in the first post. There are two editions of the book and it is well worth having the later 1998 edition in hardcover for its quality and added illustrations: Sobel and Andrews, The Illustrated Longitude: The True Story of the Lone Genius Who Solved the Greatest Scientific Problem of His Timehttp://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Lon... (I don't know what the quality of the paper edition of this revised version is.)
Chronometers are super accurate clocks, which were necessary for navigating long voyages, and were still in widespread use into about the 1970s. They became obsolete with the use of quartz crystals once the problems of corrosion in the electronics in salt air was solved well after electronic watches were becoming popular. There were only a handful of horologists -- experts who could repair and restore the mechanical chronometers -- left by then and collectors and yachtsmen had to ship their navigation time pieces across the country or internationally for repairs and restoration. I don't know how they do it now. There must be a few left somewhere.
I have the 1995 paperback edition, given to me by a Turkish friend whose father owned a high end watch shop, where my friend worked and was required to learn watch repair. Sorry I missed your original reference.
There is a totally free watch available right now. They call it the SUN. If it came down to it, its accurate enough for most things except perhaps catching planes and trains.
In the meantime, the country will need to crash as in AS before enough people give up the statist stuff as unworkable and get out of the way. I loved Hillary's speech in New Hampshire where she was saying how government will grow the economy with her policies. I laughed and said the best she could possibly do is "GET OUT OF THE WAY"
It is certainly going to be an interesting time as our society collapses. We may find that what we are used to relying on - are just gone until the society is rebuilt. We are so interdependent currently and live so far from a basic existence. Just look at our dependence on the internet and computers.
??? Your very first post to this thread panned how useless this invention is because of digital watches, and you want to complain that the conversation turns to how a mechanical watch would still tell time after an EMP?
If you post the thread, you can complain about tangents.
Please take your personal, antagonistic feuding somewhere else. It and your personal 'downvoting' mania are not welcome here. They do not contribute to the discussion.
Look in the mirror. The article was about a cool new invention and your first response was to pan the invention. I let it go until you started riding everyone else's posts as well, and then you had the gall to start complaining about the direction of someone else's thread as if it personally antagonized or offended you!
It's my thread to police. You want to complain - go find your own article to post and you can feel free to direct it as you see fit.
Take your personal feuding somewhere else. I did not "pan" an invention and did not "ride" anyone's posts. I was one of the first to upvote the topic. Your personal attacks and abuse are contrary to the guidelines, not "policing". Blarman is so obsessed with his feuding that he has lost all objectivity. He's 'downvoting' and censoring out of personal resentment.
WOW...probably expensive. I was looking for a windup a month or so ago...gona need something reliable if the grid or even civilization goes down. Like the idea of not needing batteries...tired of batteries...it's crazy these days.
Whatever happened to self-winding watches? I had one that kept excellent time until I forgot to take it off while playing racquetball. Had a 14K gold case, however, and I made a tidy profit on it after ten years.
Digital technology is all dependent on batteries. This would still work if the power went out.
And there will always be a market for luxury watches.
As to the technical details, they mentioned they were still working out issues with positioning and shocks, so until they get a working model for sale, it's still theory. Pretty cool theory, just unrealized.
Batteries work when the power goes out, too. The necessity to occasionally replace a battery hasn't resulted in a return to mechanical watches. Maybe if someone wants to pay a lot more for a mechanical watch for what he thinks is luxury, he will pay even more for one he doesn't have to wind as often. But there have been self-winding mechanical watches for decades.
It depends WHY the power goes out. If it was a solar flare that broke the electronics (same as an EMP would), then no, the battery powered stuff isn't going to work any better than the plug in stuff.
That said, in the same scenario, if that happened, we'd have a lot more immediate concerns than what time it is.
Doesnt need to be a national disaster, could be a very local thing. A few years ago the whole city of San Diego lost power for more than a day. Clock time wasn't at the top of the list of my concerns, it was all about preserving food by cooking it and figuring out how long water was going to last (pumping stations were going to run out of fuel) Luckily we got power back before things got bad, but everything became a function of sun angle over the horizon, and not clock time. On the up side, we found out that when the power goes out, San Diego's reaction is to have BBQ Block parties. :)
Once every two months by a minute or so. That is very good for a mechanical movement but falls far short of the accuracy of even the cheapest battery powered timepiece.
Yes, unfortunately it must be sent out of state for maintenance and takes several weeks to do so. That's another problem with having a high end mechanical timepiece. I don't recommend it for those who are interested solely in learning what time it is. For those people, use your phone or buy a Timex!
http://www.jckonline.com/2016/01/20/a...
In looking for it I found this cool one too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly...
My favorite professor in college used to say that all major engineering (mechanical) developments came from locks, clocks and firearms. Was accurate for a while. As much as people note that such inventions are irrelevant due to modern electronics, this is wrong. These mechanisms may be used for other applications, outside timekeeping. There have been so many times I have personally watched (no pun intended) someone recall technical wisdom from an old design that has been forgotten over a generation gap, but fundamentally applicable to a modern problem, and when this happens, it is generally a solid breakthrough.
Also, the timepiece was critical to navigation. Latitude can be measured by celestial data, but longitude cannot. There is a book called "Longitude" describing the fundamental effect timepieces had on navigation. http://www.amazon.com/Longitude-Geniu...
Good post! Thanks
Chronometers are super accurate clocks, which were necessary for navigating long voyages, and were still in widespread use into about the 1970s. They became obsolete with the use of quartz crystals once the problems of corrosion in the electronics in salt air was solved well after electronic watches were becoming popular. There were only a handful of horologists -- experts who could repair and restore the mechanical chronometers -- left by then and collectors and yachtsmen had to ship their navigation time pieces across the country or internationally for repairs and restoration. I don't know how they do it now. There must be a few left somewhere.
Reminds me of the scene from Disney's Hercules where the guy jumps out, spreads his cloak and says "Wanna buy a sundial?"
If you post the thread, you can complain about tangents.
It's my thread to police. You want to complain - go find your own article to post and you can feel free to direct it as you see fit.
Like the idea of not needing batteries...tired of batteries...it's crazy these days.
trainload or two of oil ... maybe! -- j
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Where was this when John Harrison could have used it -- and why was a larger amplitude found to be necessary?
And there will always be a market for luxury watches.
As to the technical details, they mentioned they were still working out issues with positioning and shocks, so until they get a working model for sale, it's still theory. Pretty cool theory, just unrealized.
That said, in the same scenario, if that happened, we'd have a lot more immediate concerns than what time it is.
On the up side, we found out that when the power goes out, San Diego's reaction is to have BBQ Block parties. :)