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Suspended for helping another student!

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago to Culture
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I grew up in a very strict time but no one would of suspended anybody for helping someone.
People had full mental capacities and common sense back in those days.
See what happens when the government and the culture take your mind.
Time for John Galt's speech right about now, but I doubt people today can understand it.
SOURCE URL: http://conservativealert.com/student-saves-fellow-student-but-you-wont-believe-what-happens-next/


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    Posted by awebb 8 years, 2 months ago
    This story is ridiculous. Suspended for walking out of class? Yeah, guess it would have been better to let the student die while waiting for an EMAIL from the nurse.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      I trust the teacher was suspended and fired and then a suit filed while she waited calmly for a child to die......you do realize the incredulity of a nation trained to kill children with out remorse. One that treats it's dogs better than it treats children. Will be directed at me for saying that. M2F at human monsters like that.
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      • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 2 months ago
        The teacher would have gotten into serious trouble if she had left a classroom full of students to care for that one student. She might have called a dean to come and take the student to the nurse, if one had been available. In any case, being proactive is not generally in a school's operating plans; just follow orders. So, if you want to fire anyone, fire the administration.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
    This attitude is becoming universal. You must follow the rules to the letter. No room for thinking or common sense. All part of the continuing dumbing down. Did you ever go to a fast food restaurant and say something like "I'd like meal #3 but instead of fries, I'd like onion rings?" Or, the bill came to $5.83 but I gave the cashier $6.03. You can almost see the person's brain heating up in confusion and then the frozen stare and finally the call for whoever is in charge.
    It's like in Forbidden Planet when Robbie The Robot is asked to kill the monster and his 'brain" burns out. That's what I always picture on those occasions. (Sorry, I'm just an elderly nerd.)
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    • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 2 months ago
      Elderly nerds rule!

      I especially enjoy when I encounter a policy that's physically (or logically) impossible and having to step some poor schmuck through the logic step by step - sometimes 2 or 3 times, all in an attempt to get a higher-up on the line. Just as annoying are contradictory policies. The drones are incapable of understanding them, they can usually recite them, though.

      I might have related this once before... I was grocery shopping, Gorton's fish was on sale. I was choosing between two slightly different kinds and the price tag for one of them was absent. I wanted whichever one was cheaper per pound. (I also had a foot that was so painful I could barely walk on it and thus a hugely obvious limp.) I made it to the register area and asked the head cashier how much it cost. She went to an empty register and scanned it and told me the price. I asked how much per pound (thinking it might say on the price lookup). Reply, it's sold by the box, sir, not by the pound. Yes, I understand that, but there's still a cost/pound, can you tell me that? Sir, it's only sold by the box! {{{Grrrr, if I put your brain in a box I could get by with a very small one!}}}
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    • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
      "does not compute;;; does not compute!" -- j
      .
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
        I've told this one before, but I think you'll appreciate it. I'll leave out the myriad adjectives.
        My son & I in a fairly fancy restaurant. The waiter takes his time getting around to us. We're on our lunch break and need to be back at the office soon. Finally the waiter deems to ask for our order. My son whispers, "Watch this." He says to the waiter, "Do you have scruples?" Waiter looks puzzled. He says, "I don't think so."
        Son says, "Ask the chef, please." Waiter comes back and says, "The chef says we don't have scruples." Son stands up looking very angry, "What! You don't have scruples? I won't eat at any restaurant that doesn't have scruples!" and he storms out. We bought some tacos at a taco stand on the way back to the office.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 2 months ago
    Gov't won't keep Ruelas down. The article called it a "selfless" act. They're using the colloquial definition. It actually sounds like a "selfish" act in that he saw someone he wanted to help and did it, not so he'd look good for other people but becuase he wanted to do it. Good for him for him for doing something he wanted that in no way violated the rights of others.
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  • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 2 months ago
    Under the circumstances I think the young man's language was not only justified but actually appropriate. The teacher should be flogged in the public square and the student hero given a little reception sponsored by the PTA and recognition by the school board.

    Can you imagine how much worse it would have been for that boy if he'd whipped out his inhaler and given it to her?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
      Did you catch on to the lingo. Pure California valleyspeak like huh? The quoted students were obvious illiterates themselves. I suppose it doesn't matter when you are in a very small peer group. but having to learn English as a foreign language?
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 2 months ago
    Looks like the teacher was acting in accordance with the rules of the collective, which trump the existence or well being of any individual member of said collective. The girl was no different than a single worker ant in the colony, whose loss is insignificant compared to trampling the rules guiding the harmony of the colony, which was done by the student trying to save her life and he was punished for it. Let that be a lesson for the other worker ants.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 2 months ago
    I wanted to leave a comment, but I really don't have
    much time (limited use in the public library) or pa-
    tience to read Terms of Service and/or Privacy
    Policies on websites, which has caused me con-
    siderable annoyance and trouble already in looking for jobs. So I gave up the idea of com-
    menting on that article to the publishers of that
    article on the Internet, and am commenting here.
    Of course, public education is no part of the
    proper function of government (except for police
    academies, military technical training, and may-
    be physical training for legitimate government
    functions, such as repairing the furnace in the
    courthouse). Also, since education teaches
    thought processes, it is something the govern-
    ment (whether Federal, State, or local) should
    definitely not be in charge of.-- And what you
    get is jail presided over by contemptible, power-
    lusting tyrants.
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  • Posted by mccwho 8 years, 2 months ago
    The Teacher is one who should be in trouble.

    Whats next, email the fire dept a building is burning? And than a second email someone is trapped inside? Mean time you are watching it happen and not lift a finger. (Like most stupid reporters would do.)
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
    the rules are made to be broken when it comes to
    life-saving effort. . surely there's a little nugget of
    common sense surviving in there somewhere! -- j
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  • Posted by debhartley 8 years, 2 months ago
    It has reached the point where you have to steel yourself for the vicious reactions of others when you do the right thing. Standing up for others (e.g. the unborn) might land you in jail. But then you can be a benefit to those there as well!
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 2 months ago
    I'm a retired state corrections officer who worked at a maximum security prison for 21 years and received at least a week of advanced training annually.
    I wish to present an extreme example~
    If I saw a death row inmate on the floor of his cell having trouble breathing, my response to get him medical help would have been immediate.
    Irrelevant would be the fact that his execution would be scheduled later that same day.
    My immediate response would protect my job and prevent me for being sued for negligence.
    You had better believe that inmate's family (if not just his lawyer) would be eager to sue the DOC for allowing that waste of breathing space for a murderer to die or even unduly suffer before his legally scheduled lethal injection.
    The DOC would try to wiggle out that tort action by presenting training documents that I signed to place all the blame on me.
    Compared to a death row inmate, one would think that a choking girl on a classroom floor would be of far more value and a far higher priority for a life threatening emergency.
    Come to think of it, I now wonder if the parents of that girl are not consulting a lawyer.
    That pudding head for a teacher has left her butt wide open for her failure to practice some common sense CYA.
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    • Posted by Timelord 8 years, 2 months ago
      I'll bet you $0.25 that if you read the board of ed's policy manual the teacher followed protocol. A quick FOIA request would confirm it. There's a 0% chance of a lawsuit, especially since she's OK. I'm also betting, solely from reading the quotes from the parents, that they're at the low end of the economic scale. They can try to make a fuss with the press or the school board but their class status will assure that they're ignored. If they try hard and they're lucky they could get a lawyer to make a small fuss at no charge, maybe enough to cause some anxiety for the superintendent or the school board.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 2 months ago
        You are probably right. When I wrote "Come to think of it" the thought of the parents suing popped into my head right then and there.
        Hopefully all the embarrassing press will bring about a change to that protocol.
        While I was in the DOC, there were constant memos about some modification to standard operating procedure.
        At least one or up to three prestige jargon words were sure to appear in each memo: implement, utilize and facilitate.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    I vas only following orders mein herren when I let your daughter die. She could have sent some of the students running for help she could have got off her ass and strolled over with an attitude and seen what was wrong or what could be done and don't tell me she wasn't a red cross nor green cross card holder. She could have done a lot of things but she didn't.

    The teacher didn't care. she was willing to let the student die. I don't care t about feeble weak scummy excuses but that Only Following Orders crap is left wing socialist fascist Serrious trouble? That's what lawyers are for.. She never heard of the good samaritan laws? Can nobody rid us of these animal scum! No dean no principle, no administrator no janitor no cell phone to call an ambulance she did nothing. No cell phone? Teenagers? BS no way to contact anyone else in the absence of her superiors.

    These people don't care about human lives .....she's just another Hillary.

    What's her excuse besides a nuremberg defense? Which isn't a defense but an admission of guilty with a plea for clemency.

    My rational and considered opinion delivered in calm unctuous tones. Is have a trial find her guilty, take her down to the pound with the other animals. They have gas chambers.

    Think those kids are going to feel safe in that classroom every again? Watch their teacher let someone die?

    Maybe she thinks that brown lives don't matter?

    Yes and i did clean up the orignal....this is a family hour forum. my apoligies
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Pegged it again my friend...she's lost that lovin feelin...once one looses mutuality with others, it's over...they've taken the mind.

      It clearly would have been in her own "rational self interest" to help...only sheep and dear just stand there taking no action...or as you said...only taking orders and not knowing right from wrong.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 2 months ago
    I remember an event when I was in 6th grade back in 1966. The students were practicing a play and all standing in a line waiting to recite their dialogue parts.

    Suddenly a young long haired blonde girl collapsed from fainting. Guess who handled it. The teacher. She sat her up, got her on her knees and had her bow over to get her head between her knees. Blood and oxygen flowed back into the brain and she recovered. End of story.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
    Ridiculous. Just another example of people requiring the government (in this case the school nurse) for help, and asserting others can't demonstrate this isn't the way forward.
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  • Posted by Ducky 8 years, 2 months ago
    Many similar instances have been reported across the country, not just in schools, but in all government institutions--perhaps the most disturbing of which is our military. (Think of the Green Beret who stopped a child rape in Afghanistan, and is probably going to be dishonorably discharged for it.)

    One of the tactics of statist thugs is to punish individuals who violate orders, especially when the orders fly in the face of morality. The goal is to destroy empathy and the natural tendency of the individual to act on his own judgment.
    Without empathy, society can be much more easily controlled by the power-elites; individuals will turn their backs on their fellow "subjects" with hope of earning favor by those in control.

    It's really this simple: It's not about education, it's not about health care, or having a safe country, or a healthy economy, or a fail-safe power-grid/water system, environment, or anything else they promise. It's about controlling YOU. Gently if possible, but by force if necessary.
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  • Posted by jetmec 8 years, 2 months ago
    What fools! You give the lad a reward not a punishment, I think it says a lot for todays society. When I was at school you were taught to save life not watch while someone dies!
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