The Anti-Capitalists in the Gulch

Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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The traditional story is that farming is everyone's bread and butter. Bankers and speculators produce nothing, but skim their profits from the suffering of others. The Garden of Eden is populated only by a mythical middle class of retail grocers, doctors, lawyers, and plumbers ("engineers"). No one is poor; and no one is rich.

And no one has friends in city hall or Congress - though the streets are, indeed, cleared of snow; and anyone who destroys a skyscraper eventually meets a Navy SEAL team.

The claim is made that in our glory days, the middle class produced the most wealth, but now in our evil times, the middle class is being crushed between the rich and poor. We like that narrative. We never question it. We never define the terms, never identify the individuals in aggregate.

The fact is that the richest 1% produce about 30% of the "wealth" if we measure that only by income. If we understand "wealth" to be capital, then the picture is much different.

"Eighty-seven percent of upper-income Americans -- those making $75,000 or more annually -- own stocks, as do 83% of postgraduates and 73% of college graduates. Sixty-four percent of Republicans hold stocks, compared with half of Democrats and independents. Men are more likely than women to be stock owners. Those aged 50 to 64 are the most likely of any age group to say they have money invested in the stock market." -- http://www.gallup.com/poll/147206/Sto... (And the poll shows that this is these are lowest numbers in in 15 years.)

Now, we can decry the recession. Indeed, I do. But I also know from US economic history - the stuff of numismatics, which is the touchstone of economics - that the so-called "Great Recession" (1873-1896) was a time of great growth, expanding opportunities, new inventions and new technologies: the 1890 census was completed because of punched card tabulators, i.e., the root and rock of computing machinery.

Everyone loves silver dollars, especially those fat-faced Roman ladies from George Morgan. But the Morgan Dollar was inflation money. And it was, indeed, good for gold - if you wanted... which, apparently no one did, in gross violation of Gresham's Wild Conjecture. (http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20...) The fact is that, like now, the US economy continued to "contract" even as more money was pumped into it. But life got better for everyone. The world of 1896 was 23 years cleaner, safer, better fed, better housed, more educated, and entertained. Just like now.

How was that possible?

The fact is that back then, just like now, the richest 1% were just barely capably of making the smallest incremental improvements in financial management and creative investment. Using their influences with governments, they cut their own taxes, creating foundations that funded huge astronomical instruments, and even rockets for exploring the upper atmosphere... as well as hospitals, universities, and libraries...

They did not have to do that. They could have held it all in cash and swum around in it. Henry Ford wanted to. He was incensed to discover that he could not go to a bank and withdraw "his" money ($3 million at that point) in small bills and coins right from the vault. The bank did not have it. They had stocks, bonds, real estate, insurance policies,... Including stock in his firm and those of his competitors, because the market is inscrutable, even for those who like to think they can control it. They know that. So, they hedge their bets.

The commodities markets are driven by producers. Co-operatives of farmers buy and sell long and short futures contracts on the very products they bring to market. It is how they even things out over the calendar year. Meanwhile, about 90% of other investors buy on enthusiasm and sell into their misery. And they do that voluntarily.

Very few of us billions of others actually do that. We do play sports for fun. So, we know why athletes earn what they do. Most of us would rather be in a room full of spiders than to be on an stage in front of an audience. So, we know why movie stars are millionaires. But very few of us actually buy and sell anything, except our own labor -- and most people want to sell it once for life.

Therefore, they call bankers gangsters, and denounce "crony" capitalists for the friends they themselves do not have - even though city hall and the halls of Congress are wide open to any and all.

If you do not want to go yourself, you could hire someone. In this market, you can find any kind of a lobbyist for about $100 per hour, and a good one for about twice that. You can collect that kind of money from a living room full of football fans. But it is easier to condemn the rich.


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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Value for value, determined by the participants in the transaction. It's called "free market" and your assumption of "excess" is justified by what?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the amount you took was excess to current need you created wealth for yourself. Day One Hour One Economics one oh one ....basic definitions. you should read Hazlitt Economics In One Lesson.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mike, you are welcome to ignore human nature, actions by the banking cartel, and the results of such actions, but your conclusions are flawed.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    crane, I won't get into the details of your argument because it doesn't address the issue from the start. Here is why. When you (a non-banker) contract to loan money tokens they are tokens that you have accumulated and I will stipulate you have done so through legal and productive means, in this case assume you run a retail business and the money tokens are your accumulated net profits from trading in a free market without a government provided advantage over all others. You are loaning your productive profits. Bankers do not do this. They do start business with seed capital from some source, but they do not loan this out. They borrow money from others (depositers) and may pay some small interest for that. Fine, still ethical. If they then loaned that money out at higher interest, that would still be ethical if done in a legal free market without government granted protection, but they do not. They are granted the power to create 9 times more legal tender than they have on hand and lend it at interest. They create legal tender from nothing. You can't do that, so your example is not valid.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you're wrong. But I'd need to do mucho research to prove it, and I have neither the time nor inclination. I just don't think it has gone quite that far yet. This year may prove me right or wrong depending on the election and what happens after. If Clinton wins you will not only be right you will be very right. If Cruz wins, there is a possibility of a long term eventual turn around. If Rubio wins, we'll have a good-looking President.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Of course, we lump them all together"
    That is the specific problem with the topic you posted, Mike.
    First, you are lumping together people that loot from producers with the real producers.
    Then you lump together people who hate capitalist producers (e.g., Bill Clinton hates Hank Rearden) with people who love producers, but hate people who manipulate government to loot from producers, (e.g., banksters like Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Morgan Chase, et al.)

    The distinction is perfectly clear, but you don't acknowledge it. There is no reason in your argument. Cui Bono?
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are many components in the creation of wealth and, among others, are truck drivers. When I was an owner/operator in the gas fields of Wyoming, I took a paycheck (I paid myself) though I did not create the wealth, I facilitated its creation (energy). But I gave value for value. Manipulators provide no value except the exchange of the medium of exchange. NOTHING that improve the general quality of life is "created."
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Did you not take a paycheck? How much did you earn in excess of present need. Zero? Might want to check the definition of money and wealth. Unless of course you are one of those Give Backers (LMAO)
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not see banking, per se, as a manipulator, because they facilitate wealth building. And, having been a manipulator (stockbroker) in the early '70s, am very familiar with factoring. However, I'm trying to make the distinction between those activities that do result in goods produce to improve the general quality of life and those activities that only manipulate the medium of exchange. It appears to me that those activities (derivatives, for example) only increase the medium of exchange in the pockets of those manipulators.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't deny that manipulators facilitate trade, which is good, but they still do not "create" wealth. A store owner's facilitation of trade involves goods created (wealth) exchanged for money, thus increases wealth to the creator and to himself for his efforts. I was a stockbroker back in the early '70s and took no pleasure in being a manipulator, trading (for my clients) the fruits of the wealth creators among those who never created wealth. That was simply engaging in trading a medium of exchange for a medium of exchange. I do not consider that a creation.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
    I happen to agree with Adam Smith on one very important detail: that labor is the source of productivity and wealth creation - not money or gold which is merely a medium of trade. Money is a tool. When one chooses to use it (also called investing), one is choosing to risk the loss of that money and employ it in one manner rather than in a variety of others (such as the purchase of goods and services).

    Who are really the richest 1%? They are those who's labor capital (sometimes represented by dollars) is the greatest. This will always be those whose ideas can spur industry and encourage the labor of others to work in parallel. It enables the entire system to grow. These are the elite among the producers.

    There are actually two fundamental problems with government getting involved in the market. #1 is that the government must remove from the economy (taxation) what it puts back in, and there will always be inefficiency in that removal process that does not exist in a free market. #2 is that all the government is really doing is picking winners and losers. For every winner they pick for a government project, there is a loser as per opportunity costs.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Again you keep changing the subject to try to muddy the clear evidence against looters.
    Read the book Creature from Jekyll Island.
    Either you do not understand this topic or you have a financial interest in defending the looters.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    More irrational relish, Mike. Accepting a different denomination of the same FRN is still accepting the legal tender. Stop wasting our time with this irrational rubbish.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Stop trying to change the subject to defend your looter friends and allies.
    I favor free markets over statist created cartels, specifically the banking cartel created in 1913 by government agents corrupted by bankers.

    If you bothered to read and understand the work published on the topic (other than banking cartel propaganda), you wouldn't ask such irrational questions.
    So what is your financial interest in defending the banker cartel?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The second concern is expanding the money supply with a decrease in value which was and is being caused by the Chief Driver the government. Inflation, Devluation, Debt Repudiation we are now entering another of those cycles as the previous debt notes for Bush/Obama Great Recession Part I has to pony up for the previous inflationary spending. That one along with the government sponsored and regulation driven housing bubble and the government sponsored ethanol & food stock price increases has yet to be paid for. Instead a near doubling of debt in just a few years.

    Didn't do much for wealth re-distribution when the wealth was 2/3rds value and immediately went for higher priced necessities. Looks like everyone got forked on that deal and it isn't over yet? What's the debt service on 19 trillion? What's that same figure subtracted from GDP to find NDP?

    If you find someone picking your pocket it's either a hand marked I'm from the Government We're hear to help you or it's from some very very large banks, BA leading the pack, marked I was sent by the government to help you.

    Still want to vote them back into office?

    Whose paying the invevitable freight on this one? Grandpa and Grandma up front followed close by what WAS your retirement account. TANSTAAFL and their going for another round. You might start collecting hot dog recipes.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    RE: “Everyone thinks that lobbyists can buy votes with money. Money is good stuff. No one refuses it. But once I take your money, if what do with it gets me unelected, then we are both out of business.”

    An intelligent lobbyist will not waste his or her money or influence trying to convince a legislator to do something that will get him or her unelected. But that lobbyist’s influence and campaign contributions can wield enormous influence on issues where the legislator’s constituents either don’t care that much or are evenly split. A huge majority of a legislator’s agenda is taken up with such relatively mundane issues, and it is on these issues that legislators are most susceptible to the money and influence of lobbyists.
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  • Posted by pdohara 9 years, 3 months ago
    I agree that it is often about finding a scapegoat. Something is wrong because the world is not living up to my expectations, since it is obviously not me it must be someone else. :-)
    Still there is another side to this. Objectivism does not target the poor or the rich, rather it targets those who collect more reward than value they create. This certainly can be a person working for $12/hour and putting in a $5/hour job. It can also be a banker who figures out a way to sell poor value real estate holdings as high value investments. In either case I am concerned because the person who creates wealth (money) without creating a commensurate value is picking my pocket. One of the chief drivers of inflation is the expansion of the money within a society without a corresponding increase in value. Inflation means to me that the money I have, and the money I make has less value. Ergo when someone collects more money than value they are creating, it is paid for by everyone else in society.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    OK, the standard definition of prosper, then. I'll stick with my comment as it stands. I believe that it's impossible, and has been impossible for 100 years, to build a company larger than "local." The maximum size you can get to without having to get into bed with looters depends on the kind of company.

    Here in Connecticut we have a dairy co-op called The Farmer's Cow. They appeared probably 20+ years ago and made a big splash because their milk cartons were so darned cute with illustrations of Holstein cows. Then I read a feature article about how they came to be.

    - A bunch of independent CT dairy farmers wanted to create a co-op to maximize efficiency for marketing and milk processing. Fair enough, sounds like a good idea. They determined that CT had a burning need for local dairy. Hogwash, we're loaded with local dairy, successful companies such as Garelick, Moser farms, Mountain Dairy and Guida. All companies that had made it on their own over the last 150 years.

    - Co-op applies for grants to develop a marketing campaign, which results in some effing cute milk cartons that people really love. They hype the local dairy story like they're the only ones and thank Zeus that the CT dairy farm won't go extinct. It was a lengthy, sickening article describing how a bunch of farmers forced CT taxpayers to create subsidized competition with existing local dairy farms! Nobody seemed to notice that state government was playing favorites while touting the creation of something that was already abundant (local dairy farms). And not only did they create their marketing materials and collective identity by taxing the citizenry (and their competitors) but they won awards for their brilliant campaign!

    - The initial grant wasn't the only one but I can't remember any more details.

    I was so mad I swore never to buy a single Farmer's Cow product, and I haven't, and every time I get the opportunity I spread the sickening story out in front of all who will listen.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see myself going pragmatist; I consider pragmatism to be a nasty, horrible, dishonorable 4-letter word x2.5.

    My cynicism remains!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't ask for unlimited constitutional Government. I would be happy with some constitutional government. We've got one that hasn't been used in a while nor come close to being used properly. Since the copyright has long ago run out it's fast approaching a document of no value...and our elected officials are treating it that way.

    So why are we thinking of re-electing them? Do we really prefer living without a the Bill of Rights or arrest by mere suspicion instead of probable cause? (Now enlarged to add suspicion of support of....)

    Fair boggles the mind. 85% voted for it. Of the elected officials.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fast way to give yourself a raise in disposable income? If you are a BA depositer switch to another bank. That saved me no less than $80 and sometimes a s much as $150 a month. Not to mention a distinct lack of anything approaching the words customer service. Their back room plastic (credit/debit) department is especially untrustworthy.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True and we discussed this before. It's legal tender for debts but that's only when an offer has been accepted and a debt created. to use the short version. The penny never has the status of legal tender. The penny has no reason to exist at all except to assist in fooling people into thinking $9.99 is less than $10.00 or because of the weird gasoline tax. Useful in the days of 25 cent a gallon fuel now just a way of wearing hole in your pockets.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I used to agree with you, Zen, and that philosophy gave me 30 years of prosperity and happiness. Now in my profession it is impossible to prosper if you adhere to ethics and principles, so now I am just surviving.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You should find out more about lobbying. I used to feel the same way you do until I was hired by a business magazine to write an article about the business of lobbying. I even lobbied on my own, without being registered. It is pretty easy to do. The fact is that a lobbyist's stock in trade is information: facts. A lobbyist's influence is in proportion to how right they are about the things they claim to know about.

    Everyone thinks that lobbyists can buy votes with money. Money is good stuff. No one refuses it. But once I take your money, if what do with it gets me unelected, then we are both out of business.

    In 1992, I ran for Congress as a Libertarian. The incumbent sat on the House Transportation Committee. He brought lots of highway construction contracts to the district. Detroit is the motor city. Michigan has great roads. Our county certainly did thanks to him. Also appreciative were the construction companies, and their employees, and the families of those people. He got re-elected, of course. Do you want to do without good roads?

    I mean, sure, I want them all privatized. I think that without the government roads, we would have personal airships ... maybe even teleporters by now. But the system works the way it does for many reasons. Among those are the common sense advice based on fact offered by lobbyists to elected representatives who seek to improve their status by improving their districts.

    You can rail against the system. Can you write a Constitution to prevent it?
    See my two essays on Unlimited Constitutional Government.
    http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20...
    and
    http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/20...
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks. A lot could be said in reply to the replies. The UK was on the Sterling standard until 1821. By law, you had to accept a (silver) penny as a penny. So, clipped coins were common until the great re-minting under Sir Isaac Newton. However, gold was always by weight, not by count ("by tale"), and gold and silver were not legally interchangeable, though trade in them back and forth was common. In other words, if you borrowed 20 (silver) shillings, you could not force the lender to accept gold in repayment.

    The reason that looting the Americas made Spain poor was that it took more resources to get the gold and silver than they bought on the markets in Europe. In fact, Europe experienced precious metal inflation, which compounded the problem. While "thaler" coins were known from European mines in the 1500s, before the Spanish Dollar, the common coin was a "groat" of 4 or 6 pennyweights, usually debased. Silver was hard to come by. Small change was a problem. Thus silver pennies were cut on the crosses to make farthings. Then came all that stuff from America. It was no different than Weimar paper, really.

    What gave it value - the silver more than the gold - was that Chinese merchants wanted it, and for it, would sell tea, rice, silk, and all the rest to Europeans.

    What made Britain successful was the small size of its government. They beheaded two kings. Parliament hired the new ones - I guess they sent their "headhunters" looking for a new CEO!

    The Bill of Rights of 1689 let people own firearms, and otherwise limited the government (the king, actually; not so much Parliament).

    Although the Church of England was the lawful church, they stopped burning people at the stake over religion. That created or allowed an intellectual diversity.

    But in a few decades, England's coinage was again in disarray, despite Newton's 30-year tenure at the Mint. The wars did it, the colonial wars, the Napoleonic Wars. Losing our Revolution. It all bankrupted their nation. When they got back on their feet, they went to a gold standard.

    BTW - in the meantime, merchants created a splendid array of tokens. The story of the Birmingham Button Makers is told by free market economist George Selgin.
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