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Falling oil prices, the Iran deal, and Obama managing the decline of US

Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 1 month ago to Economics
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Do you remember when several of Obama's lackeys talked about managing the decline of the United States (and for that matter, Western civilization)?

Most of us remember what an odd deal the Obama administration made with the Iranians. Most people criticized the deal, but focused on the nuclear aspects. What most people didn't realize is that we also lifted economic sanctions on Iran, thereby increasing their GDP by 100-150 billion dollars per year. When is the lifting of those economic sanctions taking effect? TODAY. Is it any wonder that crude oil prices are going down precipitously?

What are the consequences of all this? A number of coal, shale-derived oil, shale-derived natural gas, biofuel, and solar energy companies (including those he propped up via cronyism) have either gone bankrupt or are about to do so, and the major oil companies have taken quite a hit. All of this is part of the management of the decline of the U.S.

Not coincidentally, a number of other countries are really taking a financial bath, too, as a result of Obama's meddling. Russia, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and a number of other Muslim countries are severely destabilized as a result of drastically lower oil prices. Some of these countries may actually be wanting to drive down oil prices to bankrupt competition, particularly from North Dakota. In 1982 plus or minus a year, the price of oil went from 50 dollars per barrel down to 8 to eliminate American competition, before coming back up gradually.

For those of you not personally involved with the energy business like I am, the net effect on you is lower energy costs, and therefore, significantly deflationary pressure overall. Many Gulchers, and most people in the U.S,. will like this outcome. But as for me, the Iran deal was consummated at MY expense!


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Theyi will and the increase will be called increase in federal and then state fuel taxes. Both of which drive an incease in sales tax.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I would be hard pressed to treat them as anything else. Even if there were other reasons market manipulation was still initiated
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Sure easy. he stands for himself. But the first two you mentioned were closet leftists in the end and one has a court problem.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 years, 1 month ago
    Kinda reminds me of the movie "John Carter".
    It is reveled that the Martian Civilization is in managed decline and those that manage it, (as if it's their business) have empowered barbarians because they could be controlled. My ears stood up like a german shepard when I heard that.
    I wondered, whom controls them? the answer was no one. No principals, no morals, no guidance...just makin it up as they go.

    Sound familiar?
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    At least Trump wouldnt go to war unless there was booty or self defense to gain. Obama and Bush went to war when there was nothing to gain- just the destruction of our wealth.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 1 month ago
    Obama isnt managing anything. He is causing the decline with his stupidity, inexperience, and muslim leanings.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama is not "managing the decline". That is what establishment Republicans do. Obama's "fundamental change", from the first president to hate the country, is to accelerate the decline.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Once again, my choice of phrasing can be misunderstood. I meant manipulation by others not yourself. But at least the rest is clear enough.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 1 month ago
    j; I can't help but point out some problems with your premises.

    Iraq's oil production and sales were decimated in 2003 and in the intervening years haven't come anywhere near pre-2003 production levels. Libya's production was killed off during the 'Arab Spring' as well as Algeria and for the last three years, Syria. I think the largest driver in the drop of oil has been the drastic reduction of China's demand along with all of the Fed's free money since 2008 that went into the 'fracking' race here in the States and into Wall St in general. You'll note that as the Fed began tapering off of QE, the price of oil started going down. Many of the companies now facing bankruptcy and/or restructuring were built on inflated asset leveraging with that free Fed money. In a way, it brings to mind the Iris bulb bubble and bust of the Dutch, though the money wasn't being managed to the same extent.

    The real problem we now face is the probable de-coupling of the dollar from oil and the drive towards the commodity basket currency to replace the petro-dollar of the last 60 or 70 years..The 150 billion return to Iran and the probable increase of their GDP is a rain drop in the barrel compared to what happens with China's continued return to the realities of economics and the IMF's breakup of the petro-dollar. In short, we're headed into a really steep drop off that we may never recover from.
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  • Posted by $ FredTheViking 10 years, 1 month ago
    No I don't like lower energy prices now because I know I will really pay for it later. Oh I am sorry you are the first to get sucker punch but you may do well later on when energy prices go back up which they will. I hope you are able to weather the storm for now.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 10 years, 1 month ago
    This does not follow as Iran has already made deals to sell its oil, principally to China and those deals have been in place long before this. Nor does it make since to claim that the Middle Eastern countries conspired to drive down oil prices this much. They don't remotely have that much power in the oil markets today. The US is today a larger oil producer than all of them combined and Russia is no small producer either.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't want to manipulate the market, but I suppose the initial sanctions were such a manipulation.

    Repetition of intentional market manipulation will never make me immune to its effects. It will always give me pain because it will always be an affront to my liberty. That being said, you are correct in saying that it is a pain that will never get better.
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  • Posted by laurienewsom 10 years, 1 month ago
    There is no doubt that the Iran deal is by design. Becoming allies with Iran ensures its power to overcome the other mideast countries including Saudi Arabia. Our dollar as the global currency is at stake as well as our sovereignty. I assume the plan is to ultimately create a global dominance of Iran/USA with the United States becoming a muslim dominated governance. With, of course, Obama as supreme ruler in his hopes.
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  • Posted by jetmec 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In England the rail unions want change and modernisation, At the moment the engines etc are privately owned the tracks are owned by the government guess which one is dragging there feet!
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  • Posted by fosterj717 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Rail unions are a great example of stifling change and technological breakthroughs! Anything that seems to be a threat to their almost 200 year old train grid, they will fight tooth and nail! I have seen their power up close and personal! Overcome roadblocks by unions such as theirs and you have a change of creating a game breaker in modern transportation! Won't happen, unions too strong so we are relegated to old fashioned and inefficient technology until the next great conflagration! For what its worth! (Go Taxi2000!)
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 10 years, 1 month ago
    Commodity based economics is wildly unpredictable. As technology reduces the cost of production new and untested opportunities arise and traditional markets suffer. This is part of how and why capitalism works. Those with significant investment in "status quo" have the choice of accommodating the new environment by taking advantage or by fighting, Luddite style, to resist or even block the change. It is possible to take advantage of even the most dramatic of changes but you must have imagination to do so.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 1 month ago
    Any manipulation of the free market will be at your expense, jb. Aren't you used to it by now? Or does it still give you pain? It is said that you can get used to anything if it is done long enough or said often enough. Not to us. We are of the ilk whose work is our very life. Our accomplishment a reason to get out of bed every day. To know you are manipulated against your will turning your accomplishments into crap is a pain that will never get better. (Been there, had it done to me, but knowing you're not alone doesn't make it better).
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