Fed Brinksmanship - Will Congress Blink?

Posted by $ TimCutler 8 years, 3 months ago to Economics
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I wonder if the Fed decided that it was high time for Congress to deal with the underlying issues which originally justified ZIRP and QE?

My challenge to Gulchers is to specify legislation that the President could sign that would have the effect of stimulating full employment, halting the rise of the dollar, and creating an environment in which the Fed could harmlessly liquidate its QE holdings.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 3 months ago
    I can give you some ideas for legislation that will put people back to work.

    1. Lower the corporate tax rate to no more than 15%. My preference would be zero, as corporate taxes only get passed along to consumers anyway. For the same reason, I'm opposed to VAT taxes.

    2. Decrease the burden of government regulation. That means getting rid of a lot of the EPA, HIPPA, ACA, and other federal regulations that many estimate are costing us $2 TRILLION in productivity every year.

    3. Lower personal income taxes to no more than 10%. Again, my preference would be zero. Get the investment engine rolling!

    4. Eliminate inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes, estate taxes, and all those other tax-on-top-of-tax taxes.

    5. Give people an incentive to work by phasing out SS AND its accompanying taxes. Along the same lines, eliminate these absurd 50 weeks of Unemployment Insurance mandates.

    As for the Fed, I say that we leave them to their own devices - to be crushed by their own weight. If they want any help, it should be completely contingent on a full and complete audit.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    No their goal is quite the opposite. The Cycle of Economic Repression is entering it's third circle route with all the normal bells and whistles. In short hand it's using a manufactured or fortuitous crisis to initiate inflation, devaluation, debt repudiation with a view to destroying the value of wealth (money in excess of current need) for the Lower upper to middle class, driving the survivors of round 2 into the lower economic classes while protecting the Plato Escape Hatch group at the to and the non productive mob at the bottom.

    The concept is over fifty years old orignally known as the cycle or circle of repression and used by weak revolutionary movements against strong popular governments. Tupamaro Uruguay Marighella of Brazil your look up info keys) In the current version it's government using the strategy against citizens.

    so the answer is not until we get a different government and along with tht a constitutional one and that takes citizens who undersand rights come with responsibilities while lack of rights - as we have at present - is a result of failing to be responsible Which reminds me responsibility is an adult trait. Useless in a nation of children. and some 70 to 80 years old.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
      Love that last group of cropped off sentences.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
        the dashes are in place of commas. If two -- at each end -- they are called disambiguity marks. the capitalization and punctuation at the end was horrible. such have been comma after children.to late to change without delete and reattach. Curses busted again!
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
          The spirit of that bumpy thing still managed to communicate quite successfully.
          I'm thinking of an old short film that contained the following dialogue.
          Moe: Success!
          Larry: Success!
          Curly: Success!
          Just messing with ya. ( :
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
        I'm not showing anything cropped off. What are you missing?
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 3 months ago
          If something was missing, I don't think I'd know it. Ha! Ha!
          My bad on word usage. You have three separated sets of sentences.
          I was referring to the last paragraph if you want to call it that. It begins with a lower cased "so--" and ends with the word "--old."
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
    So far, this congress has been blinking like a biker with a gnat in his eye. What is needed is a powerful leadership that will get things done, without becoming a dictator. It is a fine line because our country has been going down the wrong path for so long while disregarding warnings of the consequences.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 3 months ago
    The vote to audit the fed was along party lines, with Ted Cruz not voting on this super important issue. But, as usual, the Big Government Party won and the Fed will continue to cause economic chaos while the BGP will blame it all on business.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
    Replace Welfare, Medicare and Medicaid and ObamaCare with a work, training program and basic insurance program, requiring work, but offering minor training programs ONLY as specified by prospective employers that are presently hiring. Participants give up the right to vote until one off the dole.
    Flat rate tax, with no deductions. Same for corporate tax, after lowering the rate to 15%.
    Eliminate government programs where ever a private company can offer the same service, and question every service.
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  • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
    Why would the president want to sign a bill like that? It does nothing to further his agenda.
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    • Posted by fosterj717 8 years, 3 months ago
      Well, that is the problem with this massive shift from a republican (small r) form of government envisioned by the founders to this more "Populist" form of democracy. The problem is that people vote for the "freebies" and these "representatives" wanting to stay in their cushy jobs with all the perks, are perfectly willing to continue to "buy" their votes and rather doing the "Right Thing for the Right Reasons" end up "Doing Things Right" in order to keep getting reelected. That is the inherent shortcoming of being a "democratic republic" without imposing term limits.

      For these reasons, I concur that a president would not sign nor champion a bill like that. Time for an Article V convention - Term Limits.
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      • Posted by RonC 8 years, 3 months ago
        In 1979 I was the town barber in a small town and the talk around the chair was the same under J. Carter's leadership as today. Carter's story was "this is as good as it gets" Obama's story is "isn't this wonderful now, I told you I could change America!" (SOUA, 2015). In 1980 a guy came along that communicated a vision for America beyond the limits of socialized government. Today, a great salesman and businessman is challenging people to "Make America great again!" I believe, from past experience, the silent majority that has sat on their butts for generations will go to the polls and take a chance on greatness. We have seen how many can set at home taking government money. There is no economic ladder to climb on government largess. concersely, there is no limit to the heights we can achieve choosing greatness.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 3 months ago
    Congress is just as stupid as the Fed. They booth should keep their hands off. If the politicians were honorable they would voluntarily resign after one term in office.
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  • Posted by Danno 8 years, 3 months ago
    The FED has revised margin ratio for some assets that effectively induces funds to buy T Bills. Who's selling? The FED. The FED then buys more T Bills from Treasury. Welcome to QE4!
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  • Posted by fosterj717 8 years, 3 months ago
    First of all, the premise that the Fed should control these things is both an inaccurate understanding of the Fed's real charter, that being by banks, for banks and keep the dollars and inflation going and the "control" of the gold reserves.

    The QE is bogus just as is the thought that the FED is subservient to anything but the banks and Wall street. The best thing that the Fed could do with the direct intervention perhaps by Congress is to get out of the way and stop playing these Keynesian games. Perhaps it is time to change philosophies from Keynes to Hyek and the Austrians!

    Unfortunately a house of cards such as has been built is going to continue to be a house of cards regardless of the Fed's "tools" and management strategies. Kicking the can down the road like they have been doing for years now, planning on "managing" the crashes that must surely result is still and always will be a losing game. The countries that get it understand that a fall is coming are the one's that are moving to gold or commodity backed currencies. This is what would help alleviate the situation we face and that in my estimation, the Fed is ill equipped to handle with the current leadership, both at the Fed, the administration or Congress.

    To me, it looks like the Fed is way behind the curve and that all of the Fed's Keynesian tricks are to be of no avail. Instead of people crying for the Fed to "do something" perhaps the next steps should be to audit the Fed and see just how screwed up things really are there and to design a new strategy to deal with what is ahead!

    The outcome of such an audit would be that an adjustment will be needed and it will not be one the old Fed tricks that will save the day. Unfortunately the adjustment will probably not be mild thanks to a great extend the timidity of Congress, the lack of all understanding of economics by this administration and the gullibility of the general population that have allowed the situation to deteriorate to the point we are today. If not adequately corrected soon what we have is the the makings of the "perfect storm" and with the Keynesians at the helm, it is they who are greatly to blame. Don't go looking for an intelligent response or action from them! Its not their focus or even apparently their understanding.!

    For what its worth!
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
    Thanks for all your thoughtful comments. It is my personal opinion that the Fed has thrown in the towel on ZIRP and QE and is willing to allow the market to make its own adjustments.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
    Go back to the "United States Reserve"? that congress and Kennedy signed? Then make the Fed: (not beholden to America nor our constitution) accountable for the mess they created and somehow word it in liberal progressive mindless terms; [confounding the language they themselves confounded]

    Fat chance...(just a pipe dream of mine)
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    • Posted by fosterj717 8 years, 3 months ago
      Remember, it was the "Progressives" that pushed this Federal Reserve scam on us. It was the dream of the Banking elite that such a monstrosity on us. Banks created this because they make money by lending money and the best customers are always the countries.

      War is big business and they knew that hence the wars have always served the Banking elite. In addition, they call it Federal Reserve and it is nothing of the kind. It was named that just to trick the population that it was there to protect it.

      It is time to audit the Fed and expose it for what it is if the audit warrants it. It is also time we grow up and stop living our lives on credit! Fiscal responsibility is for both government as well as the individual and the sooner we learn that lesson, the better for the world!
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