I wouldn't argue that when you are somewhere you shouldn't be and the enemy rolls up on all sides that the instant answer is gun-blaze..

But they should have never been there.

I go walking through 20 square miles of unfamiliar wooded area when I go hunting, and the trusty iPhone always gets me back to my truck by dark.

20 millennials on the boat, someone had to have had something to keep them away from Farsi Island.

Absolutely, see my above comment.

Oh, that's right. And NYC should be flooded by the ice melting from global warming. I guess he's just trying to keep his head above water.

First, the story keeps changing from one boat breaking down to both of them. I'll wait a couple of days for the "right" story to come out.

Secondly, serving in the military, during the Carter administration, it doesn't surprise me that a military vessel would break down, considering O"bomb"ya's budget cuts. Remember the failed attempt to rescue the American hostages, from Iran, in 1979? Having been "there", I still suspect those aircraft accidents were due to Carter's budget cuts...though, the press would never admit that.

I just heard radio news saying that they were trying
to make up time en-route to a refueling stop. -- j
.

He's trying to figure out why there are still polar bears in the arctic, they were supposed to all be gone by now.

Every time Kerry opens his mouth he sounds like a wind-up doll with a baritone voice.

Where is Al Gore when you need him?

Cringing? A good word for it. Maybe even stronger, like skin crawling.

I'm not military, so here's my question to those who are/were:
Why did those guys surrender without firing a shot?

So the sailors did not act as the collective that you would have them do so that they could stay captives. Even in the military there should, in some contexts, be a freedom to act in self defense by lying, cheating, fighting, and killing. Just keep your integrity as an individual and get out of the situation. I am tired of the 'we" this and that of the collective minds that have taken over in the USA. An individual, whether a civilian or in the military, does not speak for the big 'WE' of the desired collective. Remember at the point of a gun, niceness and honesty do not apply.

Rules of Engagement: Do Not. Do Not Fire Upon The Enemy. Do not invoke Montezuma or Tripoli. Do Not Fire Even If You See The Whites (oops) Of Their Eyes. Above All, Bow Down Low to Captors, Fop Kerry, and THE PRESS. Obama Has A Plan. There has to be more to this? The Facts Will Out in the next popular thriller...

I think that most of us can see and smell B.S. when we are confronted by it. The whole story reeks. I feel sorry for the guys put into that position, but in the military, you cannot say no to an order.

I don't find fault with the Iranians stopping and boarding them at all, if in their territorial waters it was certainly within their rights to do so.

My blame lies with whatever clown was in command of these things, that they both got lost.

Here's the reality, this time of year - it is very pleasant in the Persian Gulf, probably 70's at night, not much urban light pollution so the stars are definitely out, they are away from the cruisers & whatever, young pup of an officer is in command for the first or one of the first times, they broke out some beers and were sitting there sipping on some cold ones relaxing on the ski boats and some guys with guns rolled up on them.

I'm wondering if they were "guests" of the Iranians because they were too drunk to drive the boats.

This will indeed be a long year...

So do we think Obama will pardon Hillary if she is indicted, or tolerate Bernie being the standard-bearer? Obama is pretty much a socialist, I'm suspecting he might be rooting for Bernie anyway.

Iranian Revolutionary Guard

Whoever was in command of the vessels was 50 miles from where they should have been in the first place. That alone is sufficient.

The apologizing lieutenant is my early suspect... How did he get lost? One broke down? (And they didn't have a rope to tow it with the other one? Not even a stupid cargo strap?) How did it come to be that he surrendered the vessels? The Articles state that an American soldier will never surrender so long as there is meaningful capability to resist... Those 50's on the decks looked just fine...

He needs to be court-martialed. The last time an American soldier or sailor was surrendered and on their knees like that was Vietnam.... (and another Democrat President)..

You got that right! Whatever happened to Name, Rank, and Serial Number!

Oooooo, this is so embarrassing. They got lost? Just lost? And then the profuse public apologies? Cringing.

By the way, what does IRG stand for?--I find the
whole thing disgusting. I'm going to leave this
library and go home for lunch while my stomach
can still handle it.