Anyone else interested in a Galt-style community in New Zealand?

Posted by RebelCelt 9 years, 3 months ago to Business
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Looking at opening up a beachfront coastal ranch and community in New Zealand and curious to know if anyone here would have any interest?

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  • Posted by RebelCelt 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    NZ ranks in the top 5 countries of firearms per capita (legal) and firearms ownership is widespread. In actuality, unlike the United States, firearms with silencers/suppressors and automatic weapons are relatively easy to obtain after a simple background check, and importing your collection is a fairly straight-forward affair also. This was actually a deciding point for me as well personally.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    private ownership yes, with certain restrictions as to type of weapon and use. Nothing noteworthy there BUT that's for New Zealanders. Foreign nationals entering with a firearm or desiring to acquire one have a citizen style vetting procedure to pass. Hunting, target shooting even self protection are not automatically excluded however if you are going through the hoops for residency it adds to the effort required.

    Their County Their Laws. As in the USA the constitution doesn't apply. This is an old argument in cruising boaters circles. There are three main points besides the one just mentioned - you have no rights in someone else's country unless they grant them. Zero.

    One you enter (on a boat) or fly in without prior permission such as obtaining a guide and hunting license and do one of three things. Declare the weapon on the Customs form. The country will either confiscate it and secure until you depart, allow you to keep it on board with full responsibility or any use or Confiscate it. Their choice all known in advance

    Second choice. You do not declare it and it is found. Arrest, confiscation, fines no jail time if you are lucky, possible confiscation of your boat, kicked out of the country with your passport in possession of the plane crew. Their laws their courts, their attorney's fees, their version of rights as applied to foreigners.

    Third choice you do not declare and use the weapon. Figure on confiscation - it's evidence. Confiscation of boat, fines and jail time. Not much help from State Department for those cases. You knowingly broke their laws. If you killed someone your screwed. But you did it to yourself.

    For boaters the rules are simple stay out of pirate areas and war zones. The chances of needing a weapon are close to nil. A bang stick at the most in 12 gauge should serve the purpose or a really good quality 12 gauge or .410 gauge flare pistol...

    If you feel the need to be armed. WHY are you going there? That's a California attitude. "I" want to go through the Suez in the middle of a full blown war through major pirate areas all of whom outgun me. Take another route or don't go. Option three play stupid and don't call for help you did it to yourself.

    The question should have been....what are the crime rates in New Zealand.
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  • Posted by GFasolt 9 years, 3 months ago
    If personal ownership of firearms is restricted or requires registration, freedom is not possible in the long term. What is the case in NZ?
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 3 months ago
    New Zealand has socialized medicine.
    New Zealand does not explicitly protect freedom of speech for the individual. Freedom of the media is limited by its requirement to 'support law and order'.
    New Zealand recognizes the right to social security and has three types thereof (which seem to be roughly equivalent to medicare, welfare, and unemployment).
    The Bill of Rights of New Zealand specifically states that personal rights shall 'bow' if they conflict with other Acts.

    I do not consider it a good location for a Gulch. Admittedly, the US now has socialized medicine. I hope that this will be rescinded soon. Sigh. It is a beautiful country.

    Jan
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do not know the buy in-I remember looking at it, roughly 10 years ago when we were 40.
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  • Posted by RebelCelt 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's mostly media nonsense. While there is absolutely a liberal wing in NZ in the Green Party movement, the nation as a whole is significantly to the Conservative/Libertarian right of the United States. Religion isn't front and center as much, but work-ethic values and an "opportunity society" is much more the way of things than in the States.
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  • Posted by RebelCelt 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really appreciate Simon and his work. I've been part of his network for about 5 years. My concerns about Chile have more to do with regional security/politics and language barriers for friends/family, but it is still in my top 5.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 3 months ago
    NZ would be location #2 for me. #1 is Chile. I love Chile. Simon Black (Sovereign Man) made the same decision, but he is very quiet in the sense he wants no visitors and is not an welcoming type of person to the area in which he lives, which means establishing a community is more difficult.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He can't PM, kh. Did you mean for him to send a request to Gulch admin using the "more" "contact us" dropdown menu?
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you may also try Peter Cresswell-here is a link to his blog-http://pc.blogspot.mx/

    have to warn you that many Os are not interested in such a concept for many reasons, first one is that it is just a gimmick to a real estate development and little else but HOA rules-hardly appealing :)
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  • Posted by RebelCelt 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but there are some considerable hoops to jump through financially if you're looking to become a resident. You could expat there as a non-resident alien by purchasing real estate, but you would have to maintain yourself as a non-resident alien.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    Twenty years ago, most likely, yes. Today, no. Too old, too infirm. But if you have all your ducks in a row, financially, and legally, I'm sure you'll rev up interest.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    If I remember someone had access to an entire island in Fiji. Chile was mentioned and Panama as well along with Guatemala. For value, convenience, SAFETY, and other reasons I chose Mexico including the safety and budget considerations features but you have to pick the area just like the USA. I travel to some of the others with the added plus of not having to fly in the US system. I tend to avoid target countries US, France, etc. Muslim population is very low very spread out and mostly Sunni. Not everyone will use my particular standards but i do like the expat life.
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