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The situation in Oregon - Hammonds

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The people should always be stronger than the government in order to keep the government in check. That was the purpose of the 2nd amendment I think.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago
    Probably possibly maybe whatever only means perhaps a hundred million spare parts. It is not a force to be reckoned with but at best a group of free cells to be dealt with. Now if the current military upholds it's oath of office. Different story. They have more than enough probable cause.

    50-50 odds they will or they won't.
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  • Posted by KevinSchwinkendorf 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but there are now probably in excess of 100 million armed Americans - a force larger than any the federal government can muster (this point was also made in one of the Federalist Papers, sorry, I forget which one). But I just read where one of Obama's provisions in his gun control executive orders (excuse me, "gun SAFETY actions") is to beef up the staff that supports NICS background checks - an admission that gun sales are up still more. This reminds me of a classic "arms race" between nations. In this case, its between the People of the USA and the federal government.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 4 months ago
    Of course the Oregon ranchers are terrorists. They oppose the government. It reminds me of a story of the King asking his top general how the war was going in the colonies. “Not well,” was the reply, “the bastards are shooting back at us.”
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What they can't suppress they exploit through distortion. The lack of coverage of the problems caused by the Federal land agencies is much more fundamental than misleading stories focusing on the Bundys. This travesty against the Hammonds has been unfolding for years and it hasn't been mentioned in the media. If the Bundys weren't there they would either not be mentioning it at all or smearing them in some other way. Don't blame it on the Bundys.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lou Dobbs on FOX (FBN) did an excellent extended segment on the Hammond travesty on Monday, 1/4/16.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was obvious long ago that the government powers assumed in the name of 'anti terrorism' would be exploited by the left, including the nature worshiping viros, against innocent people. As Ayn Rand observed long ago, this country has come out of every war with less freedom and the same is true for the 'war on terrorism'.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 4 months ago
    domestic terrorism is the name they give to efforts to oppose Obama and his cronies. They can use the NSA and the forfeiture laws to rob people of their assets in order to eliminate opposition.

    Obama will have to crush them in his arrogance. They will all die, along with some of the stupid federal soldiers (as they should).
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Hammonds think that Obama will give them a pardon. That's rather optimistic. In a related subject, I know a man who goes hunting in the western states. He says that it's a powder keg out there.
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  • Posted by dukem 9 years, 4 months ago
    The progressive state of Oregon has taken a stand. The government is right and the protesters are wrong, of course. Most land in Oregon is government owned, and you may go on to it with permission only. Of course.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rationality is less of a requirement than probable cause. Throw all those old ideas out the window. There is no more sidestepping. Can't side step something that doesn't exist and with this new edict it truly does not exist.

    Now the county judge will not be consulted, nor attorney's nor juries.

    Now here's the bright spot the fatal flaw the fly int he ointment. ANYONE can be arrested and disappeared with records of the action. Everyone is DHS is a potential target. Remember history when the Brown Shirts were replaced by the Black Shirts? Congress is not exempt. No matter what they put in the bill. Who would know? Come to think of it if the military were used as stated Obama himself is not exempt. Dumb ass sucker painted his bad self into a corner and the paint doesn't dry.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    The government is using force just in order to prove that it can. By choosing a situation in which it had to make up a blatant lie in order to justify its actions, it is saying in no uncertain terms, "We're all-powerful, and what are you going to do about it, little man?"
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Obama is putting on a pearly white dental display for smiling from ear to ear.
    He thinks the foot-on-neck ecoNazi socialism on display in Oregon is a happy thing.
    Marxist examples are being made by a father and son serving time.
    How sweet if a terrorist militia should be gunned down for their refusenik radicalism.
    Of course he will make like he does not want that to happen to those uppity white scum.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good except I don't think the catholic news station (CSN) is going to help at all What you will here from CSN is law and order BS.
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    Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 4 months ago
    What's discomfiting about this incident is the abuse of anti-terrorist law to indict the two ranchers. There's no rational grounds for the idea that burning underbrush is a terrorist act, but it's so much easier to charge someone with an act of "suspected terrorism" than to waste all that time evidence gathering and submitting it to see if you can get a warrant. The county judge made exactly this point, accusing the Federal government of overstepping its right to charge.

    Connect the dots: creating new rules regarding gun sales that are so vague that it will be easy for the BATF or FBI to get open warrants against anyone the government desires. If you've ever bought a gun, rest assured this new law will be abused to get back at you if the government doesn't like something you've done or said, legal or not. Just one more way to sidestep any pretense of 1st, 2nd, 4th, or 5th amendments rights.

    The American public is sleepwalking its way into an autocratic, socialist police state.
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