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The situation in Oregon - Hammonds

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I also think they like to hit people from multiple different agencies - it is intimidating and provides fall backs for the government to "retry" issues.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not strange today. The corps has been the enforcer for EPA "wetlands" prohibitions on private property for decades. You couldn't list all the agencies involved in the viro war against private property owners; it's a combinatorial explosion of alphabet soup.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Whatever the George's tell them to do. King George Soros and King George Lakoff. The problem is getting through the haze.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's called control. BLM doesn't do squat except keep land set aside for the pot growers now they have no further need of protection BLMs focus is keeping themselves alive.

    They used to be easy to work witih. We had property that bordered what was called O&C land for Oregon & California Railway. RR got a section on each side of the track right of way IF they built but they didn't. That was state land at one time and our piece held the original Crescent City to Jacksonville stage route. We used to, with permission, cut out the dead timber for firewood and to cut down on fire hazard.

    The new generation came in and stopped that but they didn't mind coming in from the other end and loading up all the split cords of wood in their private pickups then they wanted to come in the other way but the house was built dead in the way. There explanation was and i quote."We are federal we can go anywhere for any reason." We padlocked the gate after that. The years I was there they did nothing to alleviate fire danger nor keep the various diseases from killing the trees.

    I recall their HQ in Medford. Built to look like a bunker with defensive fire slits. for windows. That was their attitude. Funny part is SPRINT bought up the old O&C right of way and used the approved communications rights to put in Fiber Optics. That was on the other side of that section. BLM serves no useful purpose but getting into squabbles with other agencies on who controls what land where. One of the reasons the feds don't know how much they own. Two or three agencies claiming rights to the same acreage. Another reason not to live their anymore.

    It's about budget money, control, and retaining a feudal hold without patents of nobility.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 4 months ago
    We spend a LOT of time out west.

    I conclude that there is something in/on the land that the Feds have used as collateral OR have plans to use and mine for nefarious purposes.

    The Feds view the Hammonds as expendable and that they have no "rights" to what is theirs.

    The mere fact that our government has become this detached from reality and reason is why a philosophy of reason is needed here and is indeed on the rise in our culture.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A lot of money other than Sorros' has gone into the viro pressure groups making policy inside the Federal land agencies. It's also not just BLM. It includes US Forest Service, National Park Service and US Fish and Wildlife Service.

    USFWS has also been part of the attack on the Hammonds. The agency is trying to get their private land. Some of the Hammond's land is private and some of it is leased from BLM for grazing. BLM is holding Federal lands under policies that prevent it from ever being claimed as unowned land becoming private property. The viro agenda is to lock up "public lands" as wilderness and eliminating current private property rights.
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  • Posted by JoleneMartens1982 9 years, 4 months ago
    I hate this situation and fear for the lives of these men now labeled terrorist. What a ridiculous time we live in. It is very sad, how this year has begun. I watched a movie called 2016 back in 2012, maybe 13. I believe the man hit the nail on the head! And may God have mercy on us all.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No you don't get to twist my words i was talking to a group of people who are now whining when they could have done something besides talk. Take your spin and sit on it. You got what you wanted.No need to blame those of us who did something. So... go change your system and welcome to it.
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    Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael, if the only note you can sing is "trying to change the system is futile, let's fight!" I think you would be happier on PrisonPlanet.com than here.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At the risk of sounding overly redundant. What Constitution? The Patriot Act and now executive order did away with that though there is a thin thin thin patina to keep most people fooled all of the time. It started with the same words as last Thursday nights version.... deleting specifically probable cause and civil rights. "Suspicion of Terrorism" now includes 'suspicion of supporting terrorism? It's doesn't exclude anyone or anything except Miranda Warnings, phone calls, attorney for defense, for that matter for prosecution, trials, judges, sentencing guidelines....length of time to be held in prison,

    Still going to vote for the present list of candidates? All who are office holders voted for all of the above. What constitution?

    Obeyme pissed on it in front of the whole nation. Then among other things embraced and guaranteed the use of martial law. Not the kind where the military is honoring it's oath of office - the kind with knocks in the night. and troops being ordered to fire on citizens.

    Still going to vote for them? 18 voted against two ducked the vote 80 voted for. Time to do something was 2001 and 2002. Too late now.

    How safe do you feel now?

    And we posted it here New Years Eve.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In both cities, bus loads of rioters were shipped from other areas to add fuel to the fire. In both cases, after the rioters' leadership conferred with the Black House.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both local governments did stupid things there, but I believe the BLM uprisings were organized and paid for by Soros through the Ruckus Society.

    Maybe the next time there's a non-Democrat administration, we can get them investigated, and seize his money under RICO!
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are several other aspects of this case that bother me. One is the way the sentence was retroactively increased on appeal. Second is the way the federal government got the land in the first place, without the state's permission as required by Article I, Section 8, next to last clause. Third is that the judge refused to tell the jury what the possible sentence was before they were pressured into rendering a verdict. And finally, the longer picture -- the feds have been fighting this family since at least the 1970s, to try to steal their land.

    I think it is time to do something about all these issues. It's too bad none of the major candidates this year are from those Western states where the feds have seized the vast majority of the land.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 4 months ago
    From the article: "This whole conflict originates around the BLM’s lie that grazing was damaging to wildlife." Yeah, this makes me wonder how the earth managed to withstand the days when millions of buffalo and elk were eating, crapping, and farting all over North America.

    I'm waiting for the next Hank Ranger adventure. Any news on that?
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