Sorry. I got caught in a patronymic fugue.

Jan

no "sen" in Commander Ivanova's real name.

to beat it all, it was her father ... who raped her, for
years, starting when she was about 2 and lasting
until she was about 8. . . . she was deathly afraid of
bridges, because he had held her out of the car window
when crossing a bridge, saying, "If you tell our secrets,
I will drop you." . . some people are just evil. -- j
.

I, for whatever reason, probably wouldn't regret beating a child abuser into a vegetative state. This is because they are the worst of the worst, and the most damaging of all perps.

Hahaha!

Good morning, Wm!

Jan

If you are standing up and they are lying on the ground saying "ow" -- it counts.

Well, I do not consider myself really competent at jujitsu (admittedly, I am not a goddess of war at broadsword fighting either, but I am solidly competent at that sport). It really should not count if I terrify folks because I am a klutz.

Jan

I found myself wondering which martial art you were regularly beating up on 20+ year old guys who are bigger than you.

I know you do it in the one I take part in, but I think you do it in the other one too. Weren't the black belts complaining about how brutal you were?

my heart goes out to her, it does. -- j
.

ya jus' don' know whattam gittin at! -- j
.

Got get 'em! I am coming up on 50 this year!

Of course I assume some physical features women find attractive in men are similarly survival traits. Both sexes have a ways to go to separate the animal from the intellectual. Sometimes I wonder how much of each is needed.

Ha! Point.

Jan

sounds like Yoda! . . . beautifully seasoned, she is! -- j
.

life is tougher for some. . I wish them the best of luck! -- j
.

I was trying to quote my father, who often quoted that part of the Air Corp OCS manual on how to write a formal report. I believe that is what he said it said.

I had heard the "...up with which I shall not put." but had forgotten it! Thanks for the reminder.

Jan

Oh, yes, sex drugs rock & roll. She's lucky to still be alive. She's done well behind the camera in recent years.

I guess I am mostly reacting to her comments about youth and beauty which also included the fact that they only wanted 3/4 of her and she had to lose about 35 lbs by diet and exercise. She seems to feel that was sexist and unfair.

I think that's part of being an actor. Lots of male actors spend a lot of time in the gym, it's a visual medium and how you look is an important part of doing your job. So I'm not so inclined to be sympathetic.

Now, if she had gotten the criticism because she was on stage getting a screenwriting award, I would agree.

I'm paraphrasing here, but a famous author was once chastised for ending a sentence with a preposition. She responded (approximately), "This is nonsense, up with which I shall not put!" [it might have been Dorothy Parker, but I'm not certain]

You should read the link that johnpe posted above. Lots more has been going on with Carrie Fisher...!

Jan

Ha! Thanks for the image.

Jan

That was interesting reading, johnpe. I looked up more on Lithium and discovered that between about 1930-1948, 7Up contained lithium. This was deliberate, as the drink was sold as a mood relaxer.

Carrie Fisher's story reminds me a bit of Claudia Christensen's. (The latter was Susan Ivanovna in Babylon 5.) Two actresses who tore themselves up with addiction and psychiatric problems...but ultimately clawed their way back into reality.

Thanks for the excellent link.

Jan

You are right IndianaGary. And Happy New Year to you as well.

Jan

Prepositions are good words to end a sentence with.

Jan

OK. Now I understand. I thought you were making a reference to some current tidbit of knowledge that I had missed: For instance, I looked up "Dorothy Hamell" to see if she had played a part in Jurassic World...where you could indeed have seen her running from a T-rex!

I will take your explanation as a complement. I have recently had my 63rd bday. I have never been particularly attractive, but I still do two types of martial arts. At one of them, I regularly beat up on nice 20+ year old guys who are bigger than I am.

Overall, I agree with you. As women increasingly have professions and lives of their own, we will have more to 'bring to the table' than bloodlines and bodies. But this is what society has accorded us for millennia, so it will take some time.

Happy New Year.

Jan, preening