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Atlas Collapsed, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 6 months ago to Government
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The result will not be an imposed “order,” but chaos, as the dream of world government crashes on the reality of producers who cannot and will not sustain it. The most dangerous predictions of the future are straight line projections of the past. A straight line prediction that governments will continue to grow, get more powerful, and perhaps consolidate into a still bigger and more powerful government may be the most dangerous prediction of all. Imposing order requires energy, and government as an institution is already spent and exhausted. The future is not likely Orwell’s totalitarian nightmare, but rather the human entropy that has engulfed the Middle East and Northern Africa and is migrating to Europe. Say hello to the new world disorder.

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  • Posted by Abaco 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Produce for your family. That's my first reaction to your question, and reflects what I am doing.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 6 months ago
    https://youtu.be/_ZxScaEq2Ec. This link is to YouTube videos on Islam by Bill Warner, Phd. He explains what Islam is and it's constant need for enternal conflict. Basically, the way to solve the pestilence of Islam is it's complete annilation.
    Listening to Pamela Geller on Fox News, she states that Islam is a complete culture. It's a religion, gov't, military, justice system and cultural web. That is why it mustn't be tolerated in the West. These people will not be assimilated.
    Robert your conclusion is incomplete, the US and foreign countries will be embroiled in internal wars probably for years. Maybe, there will come out of this chaos smaller individual countries with smaller governments.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ahh there's the rub. I would look at it and say how might I profit? Arrogance without foundation is indeed my friend.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 6 months ago
    I say spot on! They are, in effect creating disorder.
    Creating false information as in genetic modification of a cell, disrupts order; so to on up the line to the culmination of all those modified cells representing the whole organism...lets call it a Conscious Human Being, but it matters not whether we start at the cellular level, with knowledge, a thought or ideology...it creates disorder known as Max Entropy. It might not be heat related but creates the same effect.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From The Golden Pinnacle:
    Daniel took out a double eagle--a twenty-dollar gold piece--and a twenty-dollar bill and laid them side by side on the table before him. He held up the gleaming coin. "For centuries gold has served as a store of value and a medium of exchange. An ounce of gold bought a man's suit in 1500, 1600, 1700, 1800, and now in 1913. It takes real resources to find, mine, smelter, and mint gold. It's divisible, portable, storable, assayable, industructible, and, I might add, beautiful." Daniel put the coin down and picked up the bill. "This is a twenty-dollar bill. It can be torn to shreds and thrown to the wind. Its cost of production is virtually nothing. It depends for its value not on any instrinsic quality, but on the willingness of people to accept it as payment and the promise of politicians not to print too many of them. That promise has been broken every time it's been made. Mr. Talbott, the law says they must be regarded as equivalent. I'll offer you a choice. Which would you prefer?"

    There was no answer.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the comment, but it doesn't automatically answer my obvious Next Question...
    "Why?" (would gold be worth so much more than paper dollars issued by the government?)
    They're lighter, easier to carry, harder to counterfeit (you don't need some old teeth and a furnace and stamping press just to make more "money"...) :)
    Help me understand this!
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  • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are asking the right question: what would an ounce of precious metal be worth against other real, tangible goods or services. I do not know, but suspect they will be worth a lot more than those pieces of green paper we have in our wallets.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the value of other items would be set by the free market in terms of a quantity of silver or gold. Might be something like 1 loaf of bread would be worth .2 oz of silver or something like that. Best thing to have is silver dimes and quarters. Gold coins would be very hard to use, as they would be too valuable
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Good luck on any estimate you make... if the collapse happens...."
    I don't believe a collapse of any sort is coming. I think the world economy will keep turning out amazing new services. I'm interested in the high-tech ones and thankfully have no need for the ancient ones.

    Value is in the amazing stuff (things like music, books, shows, CAD models, and high-tech ways to view them) we create to serve one another in exchange for money. Dollars, bit coin, oz of gold are just media of exchange, not all that important. The important thing is people being able to create new things that other people like and keep what they create.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you've read her book, AR's AS was a combination of Atlas shrugging AND collapsing. Prior to Galt's movement, Atlas was collapsing (and continued to do so). Galt's movement was an additional, intentional shrugging that increased the pace of the collapse. They go hand in hand. Throughout history, Atlas has collapsed. Galt just made it intentional.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "And does SLL have any forecasts as to what Gold or Silver might be WORTH in exchange for goods or services after such a collapse?"--plusaf

    I predict a quarter oz of gold will have roughly the same buying power in the future as it had in antiquity, to the extent we can find a good or service that hasn't changed substantially since the dawn of agriculture.

    Sorry for my silliness. Seriously, though, I am confident media of exchange will come and go, but a small bag of groceries will always be about an oz of silver.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And does SLL have any forecasts as to what Gold or Silver might be WORTH in exchange for goods or services after such a collapse?
    My suspicion is that no citizen could amass enough precious metals 'currency' or 'value' to last very long after all... Hm?

    i.e., what would an ounce of gold or silver be "worth" in, say, gallons of milk or loaves of bread?
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ok. Its just a medium of exchange really, plus a store of value that lasts longer than perishable items.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    term2 if I live long enough to see the total collapse and I ruin into you I will if I have any silver coins give them to you. Then maybe you will understand what has happened.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But if I want some of your food and you want someone else's other kind of food. The issue would be to find relative values for all the things you and I might want. Easier to express the value of corn as so many silver dimes, and the value of potatoes as some other number of dimes. Allows for easier trading. Gold and silver have been around for a long time, through pestilence and bounty.
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  • Posted by $ HeroWorship 9 years, 6 months ago
    Great as always Robert.

    The moral/political argument you present here - individual rights - is the root issue.

    And, from a purely transactional perspective, imagine having the choice to join (or not) the USA as a taxpayer. Would anyone choose a system in which the debt is 5 times the yearly income, and negative every year for as long as the eye can see? Where many choices that are individual in nature are cause of imprisonment? Where the harder and smarter you work, the more you owe?

    Or would you insist on firing those people?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 6 months ago
    After reading all the comments I shall remind you the ability to impose order still rests with the current military forces.

    They have the size, power, training, ability, planning, and leadership with all the tools of the trade needed. It's about a 24 hour exercise over a weekend with business as usual by Monday morning. No tanks in the street needed but if shots are fired they are returned with ...how does that go? Shock and Awe. At that point there is no one to accept a complaint verbal or written. Total martial law.

    They also have the legal authority under their oath of office assuming a complete collapse of government or even if they, and they alone have this right and responsibility, determine the Constitution needs supporting and defending.

    Properly done the only 'violence' would be against the usual rioters, stupid students and the like burning down their neighborhoods for free booze and television sets.

    Which brings up an interesting point. The majority of male students signed a little piece of paper at at age 18 in order to get student loans and government jobs. Women still being second class citizens have not yet been added to that list. The men can be activated at any time. Once they signed that document they are no longer potential draftees but volunteers and potential selectees. Any problems the loudspeakers order all mail students on student loan programs to report to the stadium. In one gate out the other as conscripts...legally.

    I doubt that would be needed but one never knows. An Obama, Clinton or Trump might use that considerable power to staff the protective echelon's military formations or as a way of exerting control.

    In any case the military having the final ultimate legal authority changes the practicality of the other suggestions for discussion purposes. There job is to support and defend the constitution. They take no other oath and unlike a President have no escape hatch. Dump the Constitution by the definition of the military it's a duty and a responsibility to drag the country back under the Constitution by any means necessary..
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 6 months ago
    A man living in Mr. Gore's dystopia and about to die, saw his whole life pass before his eyes. His last words were, "Boring, boring.
    If such a fate awaits us, I'm glad I'm an old fa -er, person.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i have the farm. you wish to acquire some of the food i and growing. you offer me gold or silver. i ask what should i do with it? that of course is if i want to share my food with you. if you live on an island this is mute. what is millions to day stolen from us by politicians will not have any value either.the title of this discussion is Atlas Collapsed! as you can see that is the case.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it will still be possible to farm and raise animals. the silver will be helpful to trade between things that are perishable
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    who will they work for? would you keep your business going under such conditions? once the power grid terminates as a result of the government meddling all will come to a halt. as was written in Atlas the brain power of the world will Shrug. We in the USA are the economic engine of the world and as you can see because we are deteriorating the rest of the world is going down hill faster. All that is written in the media about an economic rebound is basic non-sense.
    move to an island where it is warm so you can eat from the sea and maybe some coconuts.
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