An objection to Objectivism
Yesterday (12-15)jame464 wrote an interesting comment. He/she immediately go negative points and I wrote an answer. However, I thought that this would be an important topic for discussion. So, here is jame464 comment and my reply. I'd be interested what other Gulchers have to say.
jame464: Objectivism logics is flawed from the perspective of its principles because it relies on reason as the ultimate means for man to determine reality. This is entirely subjective because you cannot reason to fundamental absolutes such as are we here by purpose or accident. I believe that a philosophy that says "existence exists" has holes in the bottom of the pale where it contains all its principles and corollaries and postulates and theories, etc.
herb7734: It seems to me that you are saying that we cannot reason until we know everything. That is a problem in the realm of epistemology which remains open-ended until such time as we do know everything. But, failure to know-all does not preclude one's ability to use reason particularly because of the very statement that you make. What do you propose instead?
jame464: Objectivism logics is flawed from the perspective of its principles because it relies on reason as the ultimate means for man to determine reality. This is entirely subjective because you cannot reason to fundamental absolutes such as are we here by purpose or accident. I believe that a philosophy that says "existence exists" has holes in the bottom of the pale where it contains all its principles and corollaries and postulates and theories, etc.
herb7734: It seems to me that you are saying that we cannot reason until we know everything. That is a problem in the realm of epistemology which remains open-ended until such time as we do know everything. But, failure to know-all does not preclude one's ability to use reason particularly because of the very statement that you make. What do you propose instead?
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I think you are somewhat hard to understand so that you are interpreted opposite of what you mean. Being a dyslexic, I struggle with that a lot, because it's not the obvious errors that get you in trouble, but subtle phrases. I am not inferring you are dyslexic, only that I have trouble digging out what you mean.
The more you read the more you will understand what it is to truly be validated. I remember, as a young man, thinking that I must be crazy because it seemed as if everyone I read or spoke to didn't make sense. I had read the novels and they made sense, but the rest of the world...? Then I subscribed to her newsletter which led to reading all the polemics and as I read, I realized, it wasn't me who was crazy. Of course, I'm simplifying but the Gulch is a great supplement - just knowing that there are others who are not nuts.
Being an atheist I don't expect that to happen.
I'm shocked and appalled that I have -1 points! I don't think that's happened before. Maybe I'll throw myself a little party tonight!
By the way, I think Yoda is dyslexic.
I am glad you posted this. It's instructive for me because I am currently reading Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand, which logically - I am tempted to say - diagnoses this exact mentality.
The trick is to recognize when reason is abandoned. As I walked the rocky road, I came across many statements that looked and sounded erudite until I thought about them and realized they made no sense.
I disagree entirely. The questions of how and why something came into existence and whether it will continue to exist are not important to philosophy, and they aren't addressed by Objectivism anywhere that I have read. I don't claim to have read exhaustively. They can be interesting scientific questions, except for the "why" part. I suggest that "why" is unknowable without inventing supernatural boogey men.
I dispute that that statement is a fundamental absolute. Knowing why humans exist is irrelevant when theorizing how we know things, how we learn, etc. In fact I declare it a big, stinky red herring because there is no evidence whatsoever that there is a "why". The best we can do is recognize that we do exist, proof of which has already been thoroughly described on this page.
^^^This is what I was ridiculing. ;)
Most of our understanding of reality is based on internal models that are behavioral in nature. By this I mean we understand the properties of reality in terms of how it behaves.
Even our most thoroughly validated models of reality such as Newtonian dynamics, special and general relativity, and quantum electrodynamics are behavioral in nature. They provide a description of how things behave, they do not tell us what these things ARE.
I like to think of reality as a box that contains an underlying mechanism while the outside of the box reveals how that mechanism behaves. It is possible to arrive at many different explanations for the contents of the box, which can be called "the theory of the enclosure", but unless we can open the box the true nature of the mechanism will remain unknown.
Troll is correct, he's a waste of time.
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