My Take

Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 4 months ago to Entertainment
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During the holiday season, I'd like to lighten up a bit. Instead of world politics or weighty philosophical concepts, let's take a look at movies. The western is the genre I'd like to focus on. It is a typically American subject and as far as I can tell, only one foreign director has ever made any decent Westerns and that was Sergio Leone. Remember "The Good The Bad, And The Ugly?" Here's my take on my favorites. They are quite different from most critics.
1. The Big Country. If ever there was a Randian hero, it is Gregory Peck's performance in this film loaded with great actors and even the music is great. 2. Shane. Alan Ladd's best role and performance ever, and also a hero that Rand could applaud. 3. True Grit, John Wayne's portrayal of an old guy rising into heroism deserved his Acadamy Award. What do you think?


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  • Posted by msmithp2 8 years, 4 months ago
    On the lighter side, I have lways enjoyed "McLintock" starring John Wayne. The is one scene that always resonates with me when I hear it. The young Devin talking as McLintock's daughter is driving away with her "eastern dude" beau.

    Devin Warren (Patrick Wayne)
    "What can I do? I'm just one of her father's employees. I'm just a hired hand around here."

    GW McLintock (John Wayne)
    "Every so often, Dev, you spill the strangest ideas. Everybody works for somebody. Me, I work for everybody in these United States that steps into a butcher's shop for a T-bone steak. And you work for me. There's not much difference."

    Great little speech speech that captures the idea that work is value delivered and should be treated as such.
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  • Posted by $ root1657 8 years, 4 months ago
    What about the series Firefly? The creator was always interested in the old description of Startrek as wagon train to the stars, so he created Firefly, which is a whole lot of Western, complete with train robberies,long jackets, old fashioned gun fights and all of that.

    For those who aren't gonna get all purist with their genres, and might find it interesting, it's actually REALLY well made.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 4 months ago
    We get all horse-technical, and watch the stunt in Blazing Saddles where Mongo knocks over the horse again and again. (The horse was trained for the stunt.)
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      Good Grief! I forgot about "Blazing Saddles."
      The only truly great western spoof, second only to Brooks' take-off on Hitchcock with "High Anxiety." Come to think of it, not 2nd to anything. Yet one of the funniest moments happens sans western when Hedley Lamar tries to get a discount at the movie theater with a student I.D.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 4 months ago
    we recently enjoyed Big Jake, but the best one from the duke
    is McLintock, IMHO, with the statement, "I work for everyone
    who wants to sit down and enjoy a good steak." . and his
    explanation to Stephanie Powers about what happens
    between a man and a woman....... -- j
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    • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 4 months ago
      McLintock is basically Shakespeare's Taming of the Shrew told in a Western setting.

      McLintock also has some political undertones, circa 1963. The territorial governor Cuthbert H. Humphrey was based on Hubert Humphrey, and John Wayne's attitude toward government bureaucrats was illustrated by the bumbling Indian agent Agard.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
        He did the same thing iwith Maureen O'Sullivan in The Quiet Man 1952.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 4 months ago
          yes. . Maureen O'Hara was second only to Katharine
          Hepburn in Rooster Cogburn -- "I'm proud to have ya for my friend." -- j
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          • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
            Maureen O'Hara was called the queen of Technicolor because of her blazing red hair and bright pale skin. She just died last week in her 90s. She must have been in her early 20's when she made "The Quiet Man."
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            • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 4 months ago
              she was wonderful. . so many good movies. . the more
              age I put on, the fewer great ones we seem to have. -- j
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              • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
                That's 'cause you're an old fart like me. Only I'm older.(probably that makes me "fartier.")
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                • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 4 months ago
                  old is wonderful, Herb, and farts dissipate ... I miss these
                  special people and their interviews on tv where, well,
                  Maureen would tell about traveling with "the duke" and
                  his pulling the car over at a home, his going up to the door
                  and asking if they had any whisky. . and they did, and
                  they shared ... ! -- j
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                  • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
                    I understand. For many years, I took the death of my favorite artists, be they actors or musicians very personally. I remember when Hitchcock died, I was outraged that I'd never see another Hitchcock film. Now, they are alive in my memory, so for that I am thankful, especially that I still have a memory. I have a "Duke" tale to tell. My BW and I went to see Sammy Davis, Jr. at a club across the river in Windsor, Canada. The movie "Hatari" had just come out, and unbeknownst to us, Wayne and Red Buttons were in the audience. They were most likely on a promo tour.Halfway through the performance, someone in the audience made a racist remark, and Sammy stopped the show and dressed the man down. Just then, a bald John Wayne with a pitcher of beer in his hand got up and kissed Sammy on the forehead, turned and glared at the racist and we thought we were about to see John Wayne in a fight for real. However, Buttons stood up between Wayne and the miscreant and said that he made the remark because he liked hearind the diatribe that Sammy gave on those occasions. Everyone laughed and the moment passed and we were all thrilled to see John Wayne, and Red Buttons who did a few schtiks with Sammy before sitting down..
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  • Posted by dwlievert 8 years, 4 months ago
    I agree with the 3 you have selected! I also like "flawed" westerns, ones in which one feels admiration, said admiration is "tinged" with reminders.......

    Two that come to mind are Hombre, and The Searchers. Honorable mention goes to The Outlaw Josey Wales, if for no other scene than the one between Josey and the Indian Chief "Ten Bears."
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  • Posted by dabukl 8 years, 4 months ago
    While not your typical "western", my all-time favorite is Jeremiah Johnson. An accounting of the exploits of some of the last truly free men. Romanticized, of course. But how ironic that the main character is portrayed by a flaming socialist.
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  • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 4 months ago
    Serenity (and the dreadfully short lived Firefly series,) Blazing Saddles, Josie Wales, High Plains Drifter....none of which are traditional but all of which are fantastic takes on the Western genre.

    If we include TV series...how about F Troop?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      Western or Comedy? But on the subject remember when the bad guys chased the stage or the good guys the bad guys and after a while you realized they were going around in a circle past the same rocks and trees and cows? Probably all a development now.
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  • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 4 months ago
    Don't forget the Gene Autry and Roy Rogers' movies. How much more American values can you get.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      eeeewwww.
      The singing cowboys? I remember chewing on my Mason Dots and waiting for the song to be over so we can get some action going. They were popular programmers, and definitely a slice of Americana, but not exactly up there with "Left Handed Gun."
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
      I met Hopalong Cassidy once when I was in First Grade...Clint Walker and Charles Bronson with wife Jill Ireland and he dude that played Data.

      Hopalong was a bare memory. But he took time to speak with a six year old.. Of all of them Clint Walker became a role model for moral values when I was in my fifties. Mr. and Mrs. Bronson were the most polite and well mannered.

      I changed my opinion of entertainers after meeting Bar(f)bra Streisand and her husband what's his name? They showed no discernible values whatsoever.

      After reading your choices I can agree that was when we had American Values and an American culture..
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      • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 4 months ago
        Hoppy and his horse, Topper, came to Lincoln Elementary, Redondo Beach, California, when I was in the third grade, 1951. Monty Montana, did the same that year, twirled his rope for us....
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        • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
          We lived in Detroit which was the birthplace of The Lone Ranger at WXYZ located in the Maccabees Building just across from the Wayne University Campus. Clayton Moore who played the L.R. on TV, put on a show complete with his horse Silver, a magnificent white stallion. The actor who played Tonto taught at Wayne and was often accosted with student calling him "Kimosabe."
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          • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 4 months ago
            Hey, I graduated from Wayne State. I remember the Lone Ranger on Saturday mornings. I don't think that you could get away with the "Kimosabe" thing today even if it is a compliment.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
              I'm from the 50's before Wayne was even Wayne State. I'm Reeeally old. It was a time when the faculty was close to the students and you might get a greeting from an English Prof. like, "Hail to thee Blythe Spirit." The old Main building was actually used for classes.
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              • Posted by $ Suzanne43 8 years, 4 months ago
                What a nice memory for you, Herb. Thanks for sharing it. By the time I got to Wayne, it was a bastion of Liberalism run amok. However, it's still my school, and I do have some fond memories of the place. Do you remember the Commuter's Room downstairs in the Student Union? I spent a lot of time there with my friends.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 4 months ago
    In the original True Grit the John Wayne portrayal of rooster Cogburn was the best, but the Mattie character was nowhere near as good at the more recent production. Bridges portrayal of Cogburn in the more recent production was good....but nowhere near so good as John Wayne. The portrayal of Mattie in the newer production was so good that it carried the whole movie and in my opinion makes it a better movie than the original.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 4 months ago
    Always loved the Eastwood westerns. I recognize some of the locations as places I've been while exploring around the Sierra...
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      Re: Exploring the West. It goes both ways. Recognizing the places you had been when you see the movie, and recognizing the places when you were actually there from having seen them in the movie. All those John Ford epics shot in Monument Valley, then going through Monument Valley and realizing that those magnificent mesas were not just movie sets but real and thrilling to look at.
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      • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 4 months ago
        I drove through monument valley back in 2009 and stopped to tour the cabin that was John Wayne's quarters in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon. It made me a skosh breathless to be in a place that I had seen in a classic movie.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
          Wasn't it a wondrous almost magical place? From there, we went to the north rim of the Grand Canyon. Not nearly as "touristy" as the south rim, and we slept in in a 4 person log cabin and walked to a magnificent lodge for our meals.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 4 months ago
    thanks for reminding me. all good selections queuing them up. I also recommend the Sundowners. Deborah Kerr is the heroine in this story
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      I always thought of Deborah Kerr as sort of an ice princess until that scene of her making out in the surf with Burt Lancaster. I'll have to look at The Sundowners again. I know I saw it but certainly not in the past 30 or so years.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
    Ever notice the best film has one individual against a group, mob, multitude? Paul Newman another example.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      That brings to mind "High Noon." The film John Wayne turned down. Gary Cooper was perfect, though. I even liked Tex Ritter singing the song, "Do not forsake me oh my darlin' on this our wedding day." Wow! Who was forsaking who? The sheriff or his bride?
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 4 months ago
    I agree with that list, but I'd like to add Unforgiven with Clint Eastwood, primarily for the directing and acting by him. I also really admire High Noon with Jimmy Stewart.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 4 months ago
    Another favorite that is more obscure is Yellow Sky. Gregory Peck, Richard Widmark, Harry Morgan, and one cute as a button Ann Baxter.

    And of course, for me any movie that has gold in it is a must!

    Although McKenna's Gold is a bit of a stretch for a geologist. But Lurch as an Indian makes up for it all!
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 4 months ago
    There are so many. I am addicted to the western channel.

    One of my favorites is Shane. The classic line about guns being as good or bad as the person using it. That should make it required viewing in schools for that alone. And Jack Palance as the bad guy? Fantastic!
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 4 months ago
    When Sergio Leone's westerns came out in the mid-60's, they got a lot of criticism from the right because Eastwood's character (the Man With No Name) was viewed as being an amoral gunman. But I don't necessarily buy into that. In A Fistfull of Dollars, he reunited the little boy with his mother and helped them get away, then cleaned up the town by wiping out both gangs. In For a Few Dollars More, he saved Col. Mortimer from being murdered by Indio.
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    • Posted by james464 8 years, 4 months ago
      Likely he was criticized because it seemed that his altruism was payment for his evil vs. having beneficent integrity at all times.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      You are right. As a matter of fact, he was the only moral character in the films. Sort of the Sam Spade of "The Maltese Flacon" in western garb with six shooters.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 4 months ago
    Every time The Big Country and Shane come on, I have to watch at least part of them. Although, now that I captured The Big Country on DVR, my schedule can be more flexible.

    Another movie that has re-watchability is River of No Return, starring Robert Mitchum and Marilyn Monroe. No great philosophical themes, just a perfectly constructed adventure story with the incomparable scenery of the Canadian Rockies as a backdrop.
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