Obamacare solves the VA problem: if you can't or won't treat them, drug them!

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago to News
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VA Docs May Recommend Rx Marijuana
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Legislation passed November 10 by the U.S. Senate includes a provision that would allow Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) doctors to recommend medical marijuana to patients in states where it is legal. Some veterans groups have pressed Congress for years to allow the drug for patients suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. The so-called Veterans Equal Access Amendment would do so. The prevision does not change current laws preventing the possession or dispensing of marijuana on VA property, but simply allows veterans to discuss all options that are legally available in their state with their VA doctor. The provision was inserted into the Military and Veterans Construction bill, which the Senate passed unanimously.


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 5 months ago
    First off, a lot of these guys are suffering from agent orange. Weed, believe it or not, may be one of the most viable treatments. Hell...I know one who's on a morphine drip now.

    Everybody in America who wants to smoke weed is already smoking it.

    More troubling to me is the rumblings that they are going to conjure up a vaccine schedule, write it into the text of the law (read that again), and yank veterans' benefits if they don't fully comply. Let's see if that hits Fox News anytime soon.

    And, the operative word there is that they MAY recommend weed. I doubt they will. This is all about maximizing yield from the livestock as they're on their way to the promised land, and nothing more. THAT'S why they
    "can't or won't treat them." They don't want to. If they can get away with not treating them, they won't treat them.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      I gave you a thumb for hitting another side of the of the main point. To them we are cattle fodder and the women are baby factories, nothing more, nothing less.

      As for the vaccine schedule you can't get it when they won't let you in the program and for retirees it's pretty evident we are on the outside probably because we have CHAMPUS Tricare comvbined with Medicare Part B and possibly D. That was never made clear. It costs $100 or a month as a mandatory deduction from Social Security and is useless outside the country. Inside the country it's next door to useless I get one flu shot if I spend $200 in travel expenses so I don't bother unless it's convenient. So far that's been twice. The deductible and co-pay so far has been better spent getting medications etc. in Mexico where medicine is around 40% of US 'affordable' costs. viva Mexico. I'd rather help out their economy.

      End of story from you said and I said it don't treat them Drug them like all elderly and retirees they aren't useful anymore and mother nature isn't responding fast enough.

      I wonder what their medical benefits are like ....
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      • Posted by stargeezer 8 years, 5 months ago
        I'm going to draw some fire for this and frankly, that's ok. I've not touched weed since I was on R&R in Vietnam and in my college days during the mid 70's and darn few times then. Never cared for the way it took my "edge" off.

        Now, I and countless many other vets live in constant, unending pain. I have several compressed spinal nerves that are so surrounded by scar tissue from surgery, the surgeons say there's nothing they can do. There was a huge amount of damage down there when I fell from that missile launcher that ended my military career.

        To top that door prize off, I also have MS, which has it's own little "issues". This is one of the diseases that proponents most strongly claim is helped by Pot. I don't know since I've not tried it in 40+ years.

        Since my injury June 5th, 1985, I've lived in constant pain. I've not known what a pain free life would be like since that day. I take 8 to 12 very strong prescription pain killers a day and soon will be forced onto a morphine drip since oral pain killers are becoming ineffective. For the past year I've effectively been housebound since I've been taking so much pain meds I will not risk driving except those rare times when I'm not suffering to much and can go without the meds for a few hours.

        I don't know if weed would help manage my pain or not. I know I couldn't smoke it - I really can't stand smoking anything. But I'm informed that there are options today. If taking a dose of THC a day would allow me to terminate the other pain meds and not need the drip inserted in my spine, I'd be all for it.

        If you've never experienced any long term nerve pain before, you really can't imagine what it's like and I can appreciate your reticence to accept these changes and giving who is promoting it, we all know if he's for it, "it's" only going to hurt us in the end.

        This is just my confused point of view. Agree or disagree, it's all good.
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        • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 5 months ago
          Stargeezer - I'm sorry about your suffering.

          I'm no doc, but have dealt with plenty of pain through athletic stuff and a few cancer incidences. The prescription meds are often opiates and, as you might guess by how, that's a serious proposition. I was just talking today with a buddy about the time I blew a knee out and got off vicodin cold turkey. Man...that was hell.

          I hope you find some relief.
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          • Posted by stargeezer 8 years, 5 months ago
            Thanks Abaco. And yes what I take is vicodin, and for those times it's not enough, there's oxycodine. I know that I have a certain dependence on the stuff. I occasionally skip a dose or two, but there the pain becomes so bad that I end up taking a big dose just to get to tolerable level.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
          How do you rate VA?

          You take what you need. You earned it.
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          • Posted by stargeezer 8 years, 5 months ago
            The VA exhibits every bad trait of government ran healthcare system. As long as the paperwork is in order, it don't matter that the patient died. And there's lots of paperwork.

            My doctor can no longer prescribe my pain killer meds to be refilled automatically - even though I've been taking the same meds since 1985. Each month he must hand carry a written prescription the pharmacy, sign three different forms and attest that he's informed me of all the conquences of long term opiod use. Duh.

            I like my doc, he's a good one. It's one reason I make the 300 mile trip to see him. But everybody above him need to get busy finding a way to make the VA run as a business, not a charity where people go to die.

            My VA pension is pretty good, not on par with what I might make with my piers if I was in the workforce again, but it's ok.

            Medical equipment is highly varied. At the hospital I regularly go to that's a 300 mile round trip, they are tight. They act as though they were paying for things from their own pocket. If my wheelchair is broke, I need it fixed or replaced today, not in 6 weeks after they fit it into their next appropriation.

            When I visit the Regional Medical Center, things are taken care of in a much more aggressive manner. The problem is that facility is 460 miles away from home. It's a hard drive for me right now and takes several days to recover from the trip.

            I guess I'd give the VA a 5 out of 10.
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          • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
            MichaelAarethun, I know you didn't ask this of me but I have had the complete opposite experience with the VA then, it appears, anyone else.

            My father is a WWII vet. I am a retired nurse. I won't get into the (complicated family) details, but I was dead set against the VA. My sister, though, due to price, began ordering his medications from the VA. To do this he had to be seen by the VA docs. He was going to his private physicians AND the VA docs.

            Continuity and communication are vital to good medical care. This was a mish-mash.

            When I took over my father's care, I knew I was going to drop one set of doctors. I knew nothing about the VA system, other than what I have been exposed to via the media, so I decided to see for myself.

            I was shocked!

            I ended up dropping all his personal physicians! I found the VA docs, scheduling, responsiveness, time spent with my father, etc to be far superior to what was available in my Dad's tony Connecticut town. It reminded me of the good old days when docs practiced the art of medicine rather than mastering the art of following medical algorithms and data entry.

            I was shocked, to say the least. I would give the West Haven, CT VA Hospital and the satellite office local to my father, a 9 out of 10.

            This "grade" is for services provided 2011-13. My father is presently in a private Skilled Nursing Facility. I have to say since he has been back in the private sector, his level of care has declined.
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            • Posted by stargeezer 8 years, 5 months ago
              I'm super glad you were able to get your father the care he needed and deserved. This also highlights the problem with the VA. One hospital will be excellent and the next one deplorable.

              I live 150 miles from 4 VAMCs. Hines in Chicago is so bad that vets just say it's the hospital you are sent to in order to die. Jefferson Barracks in St Louis seems to have moderate skills, but it's also a regional center. What the VA calls a "Vizen". (I have no idea why) I've never been there but my brother and his wife use it for their care.

              Next on the list would be the hospital in Danville IL, It once was a vibrant growing center - civil war era. I had some minor out patient surgery there 10 years ago. When I was rolled to surgery I was shocked to see paint peeling walls, lights not working and tiles missing from walls. The surgery room was bright and smelled approvingly, but I was still concerned.

              Iowa City VAMC is were I go, the staff is impeccably professional and courteous. My Doctor specializes in Spinal Cord injuries and diseases. He is as knowledgeable as any I've had at the VA.

              But once you get just a little above his level in the system, everything changes. Patients were each seen as a DRAIN on their funding. If doctors prescribe some medication that's expensive, it has to go though several hands to determine "need". It doesn't matter that the doc already did when it was ordered.

              I actually had one prosthetics chief deny payment for a $95,000 truck and conversion because the truck was ordered with a bedliner - she considered it to a luxury item that was not needed. I was the one paying for the $60,000 truck including the bedliner. She was rather forceful in saying that if she had her way, the VA would only covert minivans since "no veteran in a wheelchair needs a truck or anything else." Shortly after that conversation she was promoted to some office in DC where she's busy deciding what we need.

              Eventually the dealer removed the bedliner from the list of options and I paid him for it directly. It was the clearest example of Big Brother knows best I've encountered.

              The last one on my list is hines - let me only say it's bad, very, very bad. Walter Reed was a shining castle on a hill compared to WR. No doubt about it, the docs there saved my life, but what a crap hole it was.

              My previous hospital was in Albuquerque NM. It was a hospital that was much like the one you describe on CT. Sadly it's just too far to drive to. But I'd wouldn't mind moving back to the south west.
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              • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
                Patients are now appearing to be a drain in private medicine. Apparently Obamacare seeks to achieve "fairness" in providing subpar care for all. All except those who require a higher level of care (such as the President, the First Family, congress and several others.) I find it interesting that all the progressives I know never notice, or outright ignore, the disparity in the "fairness" that is occurring now.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
              There are good ones and in the bad ones there are good people No Doubt. But the continuing stories on the failures and failure rate are not acceptable. Nothing new the same stories were around in the 60's when I started in the military, the 80's when I retired from the military and the have continued unabated and unaddressed ever since. Thank you Mr. and Mrs. America. Have a ---- Day.
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              • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 5 months ago
                Agreed. I'm still amazed that my Dad's VA experience was so much better than the "higher level of care" our regional medical center keeps touting in its marketing.

                It appears his experience was an anomaly.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
                  Maybe but there are insufficient records to prove the point either way. As for me I shall couple personal experience with the reports of other veterans and tend to come down on their side above all others. We should be glad and happy for what now may be called exceptions....and root out the problems where ever they may be located.
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
                What I feel like saying to Mr. and Mrs. America is this..You Fix the system and start living up to contractual promises. THEN we'll go fight your wars. Until then . take your silly ass problem down the hall.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 5 months ago
    Basically this stops the VA from killing benefits to servicemen and women who use cannabis for medical purposes. I figure if someone wants to try it, and it gives them some relief from their symptoms (or gets them toward a cure) then for gods sake, who am I to tell them, based on a lot of emotional hype from people who have ulterior motives for making a lot of offhand remarks based on emotion, not fact, that they can't try something that may cure their problems.

    Watched someone with blown out feet (from a bad jump gone worse), that was told they'd never walk, or at best have to use a walker or 2 canes for the rest of their life, get a very specific weed recommendation from a "pot doctor" (at that point they were willing to try anything), and within a year and change they went from wheelchair-bound to normal. Walking, running, climbing. They then went back to the original doctor who said it was impossible for that to happen - yet that person was walking, living, breathing proof. (Side note - they stopped using weed after getting the "recovered" diagnosis from 3 MD's... )

    Or... is it better to have regulations prohibiting people from doing (or trying) things others don't agree with, because, well, society has all the answers, so people had better just bow to it?
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 5 months ago
    This snark is unjustified. Marijuana is a good, effective treatment for PTSD, and a lot of veterans suffer from that.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      What's that got to do with the Government specifically the Congress? Sequestration of the first known "AIDs carriers to avoid a repeat of Typhoid Mary would have saved many by protecting the main population from the disease vectors. The Government chose to let the vectors have free run of the country. Effective medicines lie just a few miles north and south of our borders at affordable prices but the government refuses to allow the poor and the retirees who now are poor access to affordable medicines. What does effective treatment have to do with the government? Its not apples and oranges it's apples and bludgeons.

      So if the Senate is voting for something I automatically smell a very old dead rat.

      That was yesterday. Today the Representatives tied something along those lines to and a few other things to the immigration bill.

      the rat is bloated and the odor of the disease of poltiics is permeating the air in stench like fashion it's enough to make one vomitas projectile.

      Most all plants have some good and bad points and uses. But this one really stinks

      Cui Bono?

      Unjustified? It is the only justification the conversation has. Define 'a lot of' and define 'suffer'. Facts man! Facts! Cites! Sources!

      And as an afterthought are you still going to vote for those who are obstructing?
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
    I'm sure this will get some support but the point is it spreads from VA Rx to PX and BX. From VA to public consumption.

    The part that got me was the unanimous vote of the Senate.

    RINOism at it's very best and you want me to vote for one of these scum to be President?

    There you have it how the RINOs plan to solve the problems at VA Don't treat them DRUG
    them .
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