Good philosophic works

Posted by $ SarahMontalbano 8 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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I am recently beginning to branch out and explore the ideas of philosophers other than Ayn Rand (although I seriously doubt anything will change my mind on Objectivism). I'm currently trying to decipher the mess called Critique of Pure Reason, by Immanuel Kant, but I'm finding it difficult to wade through the intellectual goop that surrounds modern philosophy. Does anyone have some good books/essays/websites/philosophers to recommend to me?


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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 5 months ago
    Greetings SarahMontalbano,

    You are beginning a journey I started long ago. I too have always returned to Rand and Objectivism. Kant was a mystic and his appeal has been overly influential. It is almost all nonsensical jargon designed to obfuscate the weakness of his irrational views of morality, epistemology and metaphysics. With him A was not A. His "Categorical Imperative" was not based on reason, but emotion and duty. "Always act so that you can will the maxim or determining principle of your action to become universal law; act so that you can will that everybody shall follow the principle of your action." This is total mystic nonsense. He seems to believe that his will can change reality, or the actions of others... A reality he doesn't even believe his senses can evaluate or determine. Big contradiction. His "noumenal" world was unknowable; it is the "real" reality, "superior" truth and "things in themselves" or "things as they are"---which means: things as they are not perceived by man. So you cannot trust your perceptions or faculties. He claimed his "phenomenal world" was not real; "reality, as perceived by man's mind, is a distortion." The distorting mechanism is man's conceptual faculty; man's basic concepts (such as time, space, existence) are not derived from experience or reality, but from an automatic system of filters in his consciousness (labeled "categories" and "forms of perception") which impose their own design on his perception of the external world and make him incapable of perceiving it in any manner other than the one in which he does perceive it. Mostly it is utter nonsense that suggests that you cannot in any way trust your own senses. this is not to say that your senses are infallible, but they are as Rand and Locke have asserted, your tools of cognition... in Rand's words, "Man’s senses are his only direct cognitive contact with reality and, therefore, his only source of information. Without sensory evidence, there can be no concepts; without concepts, there can be no language; without language, there can be no knowledge and no science."Philosophy: Who Needs It, 90 “Kant Versus Sullivan” People can have false conclusions and perceptions, but that does not nullify all input from the senses. Without your senses there is no world, no philosophy.. only darkness. One must check their premises against all available input.

    Above in addition to my own comments, I have generally quoted and paraphrased from three sources: Philosophy: Who Needs It, For the New intellectual, approx. pg.28 and Basic Teachings of The Great Philosophers, S.E. Frost, Jr. approx. pg. 40.

    Kant is problematic and contradictory to say the least. Here is the Lexicon Link for your convenience. http://aynrandlexicon.com/searchresul...

    I have read many general philosophy books and also many specific works from the most renowned philosophers. I would suggest that it is a good journey to embark on. However, with each philosopher you do investigate, I would highly recommend investigating Rand's words and her critiques on each of them as they are generally unassailable in their logic and objectivity. She did not find any other philosophy/philosopher completely satisfactory which was the impetus for her creation of Objectivism. For all philosophers of note, there is some wisdom and insight to be gleaned but you must separate the wheat from the chaff.

    In addition to the philosophers and warnings mentioned by previous respondents to your inquiry I would recommend John Locke (Second Treatise of Government, A Letter Concerning Toleration ), Adam Smith (Wealth of Nations) and Thomas Paine (Common Sense, The Rights Of Man, and The Age of Reason.)

    General philosophy books are fine for an overall picture, but when you find someone of particular interest, it is wise to go to he source and examine the full context and specifics.
    Here are a few links to reviews of books I have posted here in the Gulch that may be of interest.
    https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
    https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

    I do not know to what extent you have exhausted your inquiry into Rand's writings, but you can't go wrong reading all of her offerings as well as Peikoff's "Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand", but beware, in this book you are getting Peikoff's extrapolations and there are some notables in the Objectivist camp that differ with Peikoff on a few specifics.

    I have produced this reply at my office where I have a limited library. If you wish more input I can peruse my library at home later for more suggestions, though I believe between my suggestions and that of other respondents you have quite a bit to keep you busy.

    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Hello O.A, thank you very much for your thoughtful and considerate reply. Any other suggestions you can think of later are welcome.

      I'm definitely going to investigate the books you've recommended by Locke, Smith, and Paine. I'm aware, though, that no philosopher is completely consistent with Rand's views, and I'm going to attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. Aristotle for Everybody looks like a very good book; hopefully I'll get it for Christmas.

      I've read some articles about Kant, from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and others; those were unclear, and I couldn't understand his ideas through the linguistic disguises that surrounded it. I thought it would be better to get it from the horse's mouth, but that's proven unsuccessful too. I had been under the mistaken assumption that a philosopher has to make his ideas clear to be taken seriously, and that it was the sites I visited that obscured the facts; I was wrong. The reason the articles are unclear is because nobody can make nonsensical ideas make sense. I've only gotten a few pages into Critique, and it's a mess of contradictions, in the stuff that I could understand - and most of it is complete and utter nonsense.

      (I'm probably going to give up on it, and take a refreshing re-read of Atlas Shrugged.)
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 5 months ago
        Hello again, SarahMontalbano
        You are quite welcome. I think you will enjoy the book on Aristotle. I have read The basic Works of Aristotle ( http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Aristotle... ). It was amonumental task. !500(?) pages of fine print difficult language and tedium. I got more bang for the buck (my time), reading Aristotle for Everybody. I only wish I had read it first as it would have helped me through The Basic Works... Yes, Kant's "The Critique of Pure Reason" is nebulous nonsense. Almost all Philosophers of note have at least one brilliant insight, yet they all spend a great deal of time trying to disprove one another. What good is a philosopher if he/she can't adequately express their profundity? Many seem to know, if you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bull.... funny how some of them resemble politicians... :)

        Happy Thanksgiving,
        O.A.
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 5 months ago
      Leonard Peikoff's Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand, or "OPAR", is essential for understanding the foundations and at least implicitly the contrasts with traditional philosophers, but he's asking about Kant in particular.

      Leonard Peikoff's lecture series on the History of Philosophy explains the historical development of the major philosophical positions through the history of western civilization, how they were connected and influenced one another, how they differ from Objectivism, and the Objectivist answer to philosophic problems in the historical context. He cites references and recommended reading. https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

      The course includes two full lectures on Kant, and subsequent lectures show Kant's further influence on philosophy, including Hegal, Marx and Pragmatism. It also shows why Kant's opaque "Muddy waters look deep" works are so difficult to read.

      This history of philosophy course provides the background to understand the historical importance of philosophers, like Kant, influential in the history of ideas, and Ayn Rand's philosophy from "Galt's speech" to OPAR in ways you will not otherwise get.
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  • Posted by DarcieKSalmon 8 years, 5 months ago
    Although Ayn was not in league with Nietzsche (spelling) she did appreciate the genius of his reasoning powers and with a number of his premises bi would recommend a serious student o f philosophy read Rand's thought on him in her lexicon and then read his 'Will to Power' for a clear understanding. Or Thus Spoke Zarathustra' for which he is most famous. He is not difficult nor obfussive and doesn't attempt to baffle one with bs. He wants you to 'get' it as juxtaposed to Kant who does not but rather wants to simply pontificate on a philosophical topic similar to a mental Möbius strip ( no beginning and no ending). I am a devout Ibkectivist and always fall back on Ayn for clarification when I'm confused by the premises. As she always said, when in doubt check your premises. Good premises to you all b
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 5 months ago
    I have read essays that criticized Rand for her failure to understand Kant correctly. Rather an unintended compliment, that, I would say.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      I have read and thought just the opposite except for apologists of failure and those who intentionally used the Plato Kant line to institute totalitarianism
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
        Snezzy & M.A.
        Yes to you both.
        I find it interesting that lefties will try to alter reality to suit their agendas. As a result philosophers like Plato & Kant are shown to be beneficent and are used to justify almost anything. Pshaw!
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  • Posted by mspalding 8 years, 5 months ago
    For a survey of the various philosophers in an unusual format you might try Action Philosophers! by Fred Van Lente. It's a 300 page graphic novel (comic book) introducing 42 philosophers and their ideas (including Ayn Rand).
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
    While this is not, strictly speaking, a book on philosophy, I find it an invaluable tool to understanding a sometimes contradictory subject is. "Economics In One Lesson" by Hazlitt. As to ancient philosophers, Aristotle is your guy. Much of Objectivism starts with Aristotle. Guys like Kant might be looked into after a firm grounding in the philosophies of freedom. The other student of Socrates was Plato, from whom all things left have sprung When you go after Plato, find yourself a summary or Cliffs notes type info, because getting deeply into him turns out to be a waste.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 5 months ago
    One easy to read, small book by a self-educated American philosopher Eric Hoffer, is "The True Believer, a Study of Mass Movements." It explains the phenomenon of unreasoned, emotional support of the "great leader". Written in the '50s, I was reminded of Hoffer's work when I recalled his statement that "all mass movements begin with the words hope and change."
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 5 months ago
    Well, I have read Plato's Republic ( I thought it
    stunk, but I read it), and some of Aristotle. Aristot-
    le seems to me to be the most intelligent person
    who ever lived (possibly excepting Ayn Rand; but
    I'm not certain even of that). I read his validation of
    the Law of Identity, maybe about 6 times be-
    fore I understood it. The thing was, he was val-
    idating something that normal people would nev-
    er have thought of questioning, that was what
    made it so difficult. He made some mistakes in
    biology, but he was still a genius. I also read
    Augustine's Confessions and City of God
    (that was really rotten), and some of Thomas
    Aquinas. I have read John Locke's Two Treat-
    ises of Government
    . I have not read Kant yet;
    sometime maybe when I have plenty of time and
    plenty of Coca-Cola (as a stomach-settler). Ad-
    mittedly, I have a prejudice against him already,
    but I guess it is a little unfair of me to denounce
    him without having read him (other than in quotes by others).
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 5 months ago
    Why not start with Aristotle - Ethics would be a good one. He observed the emerging mind and the resulting behaviors of mankind. It's also more direct and based in real human potential. Politics is another one.
    In terms of natural law verses manmade law there is always Frederic Bastiat..The Law.
    And of course, there is my favorite mentor of a more recent time...Mark Hamilton, Neothink and Neotech.
    I'll save this link during the week end, perhaps I'll come with a few other unusual ones.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      Due to Ayn Rand's admiring of Aristotle I had been planning to read some of his works. However, Aristotle for Everyone was mentioned in this thread and it seems to be a good introduction, before I delve into the works themselves. Thank you for the input!
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