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Whose life or lives matter?

Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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A) Black lives matter.
B) All lives matter.
C) All lives that are outside of mom's womb matter.
D) My life matters.
E) C + D
F) B + D
G) Other

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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 5 months ago
    "Most" lives matter...in my opinion.

    To put it in perspective...when an "innocent" life is taken, it hurts me, even if I don't know the person. On the other hand, if some "lifer" criminal dies, I either don't care, or I celebrate.

    As the "Black lives matter" movement is patently racist, I refuse to respect it.
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  • Posted by mattboston 8 years, 5 months ago
    I would agree that every individual's life matter or all lives matter. The point at which an individual's life does not matter is when that person makes choice that can lead to it being taken. You cannot live life without dealing with the consequences of your actions.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 5 months ago
    B. But there is a priority of order. No one else's life matters to you if you don't matter to yourself first.

    There is also the question of how much value is being produced by those others.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
    One thing I think everyone can agree on is that the life of the individual matters to that individual.
    Now, the next thought is what your Mom asked when you cried, she'd say, "What's the matter?" You'd tell her you got a boo-boo climbing on the Jungle Gym. So the the proper statement is not black, white, or any color, but What The Hell Is The Matter?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 5 months ago
    G. I'll re-frame the correct answer. Conscious lives matter, including those that have a decent chance of becoming so.
    When the very survival of mankind and his conscious mind are at stake, is it necessarily our concern that those that oppose us by 180° might be awakened?

    In my mind, that is the real question.
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  • Posted by giallopudding 8 years, 5 months ago
    From whose perspective? Matter to whom? From the perspective of myself as an individual, then D) followed by G) Other - IMMEDIATE social sphere, since I am a social animal, and my fate rests with those of others in my tribe. But I the individual must come first in the ordering of survival priorities for myself as an organism. From the perspective of the tribe and group survival, G) Other - then the tribe matters. Define "tribe" as you will....family, neighborhood, social sphere, city, state, country...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 5 months ago
    D) I am going to be appropriately selfish. If we want to have more people adopt Objectivist values, this discussion is the way to frame the debate.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      Score one point. Individual lives matter for they are the cells that form the groups that form the entities - at least until they are deemed worthless with nothing left to contribute and like any dead cell cast off without a footnote in history. 'an atom making up molecules making up cells making up elements each important but no more important than the other. Part of the cellular not the nuclear family . A collection of one size fits all parts except of course for those who eat what we collectively produce claiming membership in a higher entity.

      Now for the other side of the discussion you who read this..

      Are you human or are you humanoids. Objectivists and other practitioners of independent thought and reason join the first group The rest line up for processing right over there by the shower huts.

      THATs' what you call Re-Framing the debate to a more precise form or universal (the original name before it was plagiarized.)

      And two points for providing the opportunity. the answer D Plus B. You got that part backwards
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  • Posted by livefree-NH 8 years, 4 months ago
    The expression "Black Lives Matter" by itself has no meaning because it requires the speaker to say "to whom" these black lives matter. As it is, there is an implication that to some, black lives do NOT matter. The speaker will need to say who those people are also. We can assume that we already know who those respective people are, but we also need to assume that they are actually addressing "us" when they make this chant. So it requires us to know a lot about the facts ahead of time, in order to know what they are trying to say. This is poorly done.

    Ultimately, we lose if we try to take the saying apart and try to understand it. For you will be someone who is questioning their expression of self-worth and that makes you, I don't know, racist maybe?

    If someone asked me (they don't, usually) I would reply to them "you need to tell the black murderers in the streets of Chicago about this expression, for they don't seem to think these lives matter." Or maybe the shorter response, "why are you telling me?"
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 4 months ago
    All above are terms created by Socialist Idealogs. All these minority groups are anachistic in nature. They want everything for themselves for Free. They don't want any laws that they believe that are holding them back. They want recognition for there own mandates. Everyone else be damned. No more Morals anything goes! No more God, no more religion only theirs they made up. Jobs with no participation they just want $15.00/hr. They want HC as their President.
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