Define the difference between a left wing socialist President taken from the Left Wing Of the Left approved list and a left wing socialist President taken from the appproved list and from the Right wing of the LEFT.

The are both from the Left, both believe in government over people, collectivism, etc etc. ad. nauseum both the last two from the right wing of the left instituted the police state.

The center - believers in the Constitution and the near right or near left (Libertarians) who believe in Citizens over Government have no candidate and if they did would there candidate appear on the ballot or would it be top two vote getters from the primaries only with the rest excluded.

Never mind those two categories have no candidate and if they did would be so busy squabbling and debating it wouldn't matter
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So let's change the question to 'Besides voting for what is in your opinion is the lesser of two evils - two left wing socialist fascist leaning candidates and a flock of similar ones for Congress and by doing doing so putting yourself in the group that supports evil - what other choices do you have?

A. Write In ballot or possibly third part in some states - Winner takes all will claim them even though the winner was the individual you were voting against. For seven years there are no statistics kept for those candidates no way of measuring them. They have been legally marginalized.

B. The only choice left besides voting for evil and continuing the slide to the left is do not vote. Being registered and not voting in poly sci terms is called the 'undervote.' It's a measurement of lack of confidence and serves to replace the idea of None Of The Above.

Even in elections where it causes winner by a plurality not a majority it is not counted under our current rules of elections.

If you google up the definition of one party elections or the move from multi party to two strong others weak parties to two party it inevitably ends up as one party with two faces, forms, or wings.

That's where we are now.

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The danger lies when the two dominant parties become joined at the hip through cross-partisanship or bi-partisan ship or other such marriages of convenience AND espouse similar viewpoints and support the same end goals.

Republicans as socialist coporatist/statist and Democrats as sociaist statist/corporatists have done exactly that ending up as The Government Party in favor of Government Over People.

Follow the link to the little chart and pay attention to the section at 11 o'clock that says ' further makes rules to perpetuate itself'

So is it a Republican Government or is it a Socialist Republican Government?

The way out of this trap is repudiating the definition of center as center of the Left and return it to the Constitution as the Center of the Country.

Repudiation of the current voting system does not come from supporting it in any of it's left wing flavors. It comes when the majority refuse to play their game and make their reasons known.

What good does that do?

It's a clear signal to the military - remember them? Our Sons and Daughters - to honor their oath of office as they have the legal right and the legal duty and the responsibility of protecting and defending the Constitution and NOTHING else.

When a majority of the nation has refused to participate in the left wing version of voting that tells the military it's time to conduct what might be called a counter revolution.

That's the in place system but it takes a clear signal from the public.

It's also why there is a huge movement to put mandatory voting into law. As it short circuits that final protection.

Don't vote for either side and ask the military to do their duty.

You have the balls to do that we get our country back if not welcome to the USSA

Appreciate the information. I see they are building Jeeps in Mexico for export elsewhere with Diesel. I'm partial to real SUV with real off road capability and diesel Looks like I'll have to buy out of the country. Sorry about that UAW snooze you loooze

Update 31 to 19 translationi 31 states have indicated NO CONFIDENCE in the current administration. Perhaps the Syrians situation is fighting our internal war for us.

Syrian refugees not welcome in 31 U.S. states - CNN.com
www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-at...
6 days ago - More than half the nation's governors say Syrian refugees not welcome. ... (CNN)More than half the nation's governors say they oppose letting Syrian refugees into their states, although the final say on this contentious immigration issue will fall to the federal government.

I knew you were one of the good guys!!!

Now as for SUVs.......Jeeps without diesel engines whose dumb idea was that? Kinda like the Republican party with out Republicans.

Q: I f you find a little round hole in the dirt next to large spot of oil it indicates what?

A: Harley was here.

Q: If you here somethng like urrrrrRRRRRRrrrrruuuuuuhhhhhhhh h h h h then nothing it indicates?

A: Harley at full throttle.

An old t shirt had the BMW engine as the Starship Enterprise. Twin opposed mounted on a logo'd disc. Busy shooting opposing attack spacecraft with phasers etc. All marked with Kawasaki, Yamaha, Honda and Ducatti logos . The most asked question to it's printed message "Every Star A Sun" was/: Why no Harleys?

A: How you going to shoot something out of space that can't get off the ground?

My friends bought two brand new 100th anniversary Harleys. Driving to Seattle to pick them up the son asked where's mine?

A: "Only room enough in the pick up for two."

Back when Rogue Valley Road Riders of S. Oregon sponsored a Labor Day weekend rally with guided tours each day for a week. One day all the ride leaders rode Harley's. All the assistants rode Hondas or BMW's. Twelve or so tours not one Harley would start. Something about moisture in the air and in the systems. That is a true story.

Q: RING A Ding ding ding ding..silence. Like a fan with a bolt tossed in the blades. What is it?

A: Harley attempting to reach full throttle.

Shall I go on? The rest is self explanatory

How far down is down?

All The Way and then we start building Beemers again.

Bueno same sheet of music....

Aristotle held man could use his senses to determine reality. Plato held reality wasn't real but held secret from man in some mystic place that only a few could divine.

Plato's chain of followers are Kant, Hegel, Neitsche, and in the political world Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, AND Hitler and in the us the Progressive socialists from Woodrow Wilson to Obama and Hillary supported by secular progressives funded by the billionaires Soros and Lewis ....included is the present day Democrat turned Socialist admittedly group and Republicans in name only and by association their supporters ALL have certain beliefs in common.

Government the people in a very socialist sense people as part of a group or collective which is the real entity that counts. One leader one party such as the combination of Democrats and Rinos. Plato exempted certain individuals from the collective group philosophers primarily and that's extended to an elitist ruling class. Nutshell version. Hillary is in fact a secular progressive and their poster girl hand maiden at present. Plato's line of thinking led to pragmatism whatever serves the moment and phrases such as the truth is whatever serves the party.

Aristole's line of thinking led to a country created by an idea..USA...not by force with citizens over government.,...that is what we are losing along with independence, freedom, the right to think and reason and express those thoughts. The right to control government. It also led to objectivist thinking.

Two types of socialism.. National and International for easy labels. The first allows ownership under State Economics meaning tight control of everything also called fascist economics. The second is the government owns and controls everything using Marxist Leninest economics. Both are heavily fascist meaning any and all means to control everything.

Three groups make up the elitists under an overall neo aristocracy which is neo feudalistic in it's beliefs..Government or Statists, Big business or corporatists, Union Leaders (not union members) or some other form of controlling labor at the bottom. State Economics here relies on Keynesian principles. Borrow from the future

Where they are losing control is they forgot one of Keynes requirements in debt economy which was ability to pay the interest. The out - so far - is using a crisis to create inflation, devaluation, and debt repudiation. One form of the latter is devaluing buying power to retirees but not counting the loss in the Cost of Living Allowance instead holding that at or near zero.

thus as matter of percentage the elitists at the top get richer and the rest of us poorer not so much in terms of cash count but in buying power increases and decreases.

Short quick and dirty except for ..get rid of the constitution which they are doing WITHOUT amendment the legal way but by court cases with friendly judges. One thing at a time...

- Same Sex is one
- replacing 'probable cause' with 'suspicion of' another
- dumbing down education and ending up with fascist oriented students a third.
- control of all forms of income was one of the first
- dismantling checks and balances another-
- the military draft system
- laundry list of how it came about

Do you still have the Charger...my last similar was the Plymouth Police Package version.

See if you agree.. with all except the make of the auto...

Conclusions:

The Center is the Constitution not the Center of the Left.
If you support any of the systems or candidates of the left you are supporitng the left

Problem?: The system of selecting candidates and voting is no longer a free and open system but designed to control the eventual outcome where which ever wins is still a left winger. Question: How to regain that and other lost freedoms. I will add voting for anyone else is listed under winner take all as landslide in the opponents favor. no longer an option.

One possibility is mass defection from the system or a vote of no confidence by not voting. Something they are afraid of as the talk now is mandatory voting or a fine. That group now stands at 35 to 45 percent on and off year elections

Second possibility destroy them politically at the roots - locally -

Third possibility - Military upholds their oath of office.

(Note: I'm sure some of our more experienced Gulchers will polish this short version as needed. For the record it was a BMW900 I don't do Harleys. I like systems that work and work for me. The motorcycle analogy of politics and philosophy)

Go for it.. Script writer?"

Can we identify them ....those that aren't already co-opted and can withstand that particular beast? Good post.

and sometimes the only way to win is don't play. Depends on how much of yourself you are willing to sell and for how much?

I have the privilege of granting the first extras point.

ha ha I get three long strips of rubber and a nasty chirp out of fourth gear. Couldn't afford the 440 magnum engine at the time.

Plato was and remains the founder of present day left wing philosophy.....the only thing you are missing is figuring out where the center is. I say not the center of the left but the Constitution. Chirp!