Hillary gets elected and is arrested under the Libby Law or others. It's not inauguration yet. What then?

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 7 months ago to Politics
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Read on.. Your chance to second guess Constitutonal Law or dictatorial powers. .

So... on to what if time. Hillary get's elected both popular and electoral college. FBI steps in before she is inaugurated. This one goes straight to the Supreme Court. A number of decisions. Act of Succession and provision for ruling unfit to serve pop up. What if the current POTUS issues a pardon? A pardon is not a Not Guilty verdict...or is it? If the charge was straight criminal can and may the Congress still go immediate impeachment IF she is sworn in.
Under the Libby Law it's quite possible these and more questions would pop up between voting day and inauguration day. So...

Don't get to carried away. This one deserves it's own thread but I'll start it 'as is as stated here.'


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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes, and Paul Ryan would be like having an accountant
    for a pastor -- nothing but numbers;;; no policies. . HAL 2000 running
    the budget and the world leaving us in the dust. -- j
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  • Posted by GaryL 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hey Michael, I can't say you are all wrong with your thoughts but I will say we have to work with the system we have. You have to get to first base before going to second, third and home! Not enough of us will come together just yet to go with any of your theories! There certainly could be enough right now to elect a non politician so I say that is just fine because as you say more of the same is likely on the way. I just don't want the FSA to win.
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  • Posted by Steven-Wells 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    With a small play on words, candidate debate statements make it clear that Bernie Sanders doesn't get it!
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Works for me. Now that begs a different question. If they refused to vote in both the Pres and the VP it goes to a choice of House or Senate Leader. OR can the electoral college choose some one else or two someone elses and if so assuming constitutional requirements are met would they have othere restrictions such as same party as the two tossed in the clink in obedience to popular vote ....or not. Same thing if later on act of succession is needed. Same party or could an inhouse revolution put someone like Pelosi in place of someone like....hell almost anyone?
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Here's another idea or thought. Pres and VP elected. Prior to inauguaration or hand over day Pres arrested on felony charges, now in fact being investigated, the Libby Law. VP who ever moves up then also gets arrested on the same charges. It's now a rico conspiracy. Act of Succession kicks in but no cabinet is appointed for after inauguration. that leaves Speaker of the House and President of the Senate. Only one who chooses his own VP. That isn't an immediate requirement we've spent almost 20% I think it is of our time as a nation without a VP. No matter the next guy in line is the new speaker or President Por Tempore.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong it only means you get the same type with he same stripes the two are hand selected and force fed and all from the same government over people belief system. the antidote is much harder it takes a real landslide majority of someone other than the two choices of the left. That's their ace in the hole and it comes from tolerating a one party two faced system.

    Two choices a massive no doubt no BS landslide of not voting at all. That's the under vote and it's significance is the loss of confidence and withdrawal of consent.

    Second is a massive overwhelming flood of write ins for the exact same individual. Too big too fail amounts.

    The third doesn't bear mentioning. We use ballots not bullets.

    The fourth is the military upholding their oath of office.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the u.s. headed by Bernie would be like the Boy Scouts
    headed by Tiny Tim (remember him?) -- zany and stupid! -- j
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anarchist are the extremist of the right. Totalitarian despotism etc the extremists of the left.

    The left is Government over people all using small f fascism or total control of everything.

    The right of center using the constitution as center is Citizen over government as temporary employees. Very few republicans as most are government over citizen types.

    The center according to the left is there center Rinos to the their center's right and Democrats starting on the left of their center.

    Depends on which definition of center you use.

    Libertarians are hard to figure. They wander on both sides of Constitutional Center depending on who is speaking for them. The recent post on Ayn Rand and the undocumented claim of lying to immigration is an example.

    Not many people live right of center and most of them are firmly attached to the Constitution or some similar belief feature freedom, independence, free speech, etc. etc. etc. things not much taught in schools anymore. Objectivists probably or even mostly it's not really a party platform. but independent thinkers for sure. the rest is easy to figure out when you match actions with words and they don't add up.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A pardon may be couched in such wording as to include any and all conducts and action that may or may not at a later time be construed as a felony, misdemeanor or misdeed. Blanket pardon.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually I meant "rogue" only in a colloquial sense. There are no restrictions on how electors can vote under the Constitution. And I believe any attempt by the states to control the votes of the electors would be held unconstitutional. The point is that in the hypothetical we are considering the electoral college could theoretically refuse to vote for Clinton if she were indicted between the election and the casting of the ballots by the college members. Purely speculation, of course.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago
    This would be the famous "worst case scenario." Should things happen that way, and keep in mind that I'm not suicidal, I would not mind the fact that I'm old and ready to step over to that parallel universe called death. It would certainly mean the dissolution of the American Experiment, and a return to the Dark Ages.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree with all of the above, except "Anarchy" - totalitarian despotism, in the Stalin/Hitler/Dear Leader model. Welkome to Amerika!
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 9 years, 7 months ago
    Many here may not remember the Nixonian era. Nixon was POTUS and Spiro Agnew was VP. Agnew left office under a cloud of misconduct. Gerald Ford then came in as VP. When it became apparent that Watergate was going to take Nixon down he resigned, thus making Ford POTUS. One of the first acts of Ford was to issue a pardon for Nixon. Nixon had not even been indicted. I don't remember if there was any legal challenge to the pardon, but I can't imagine there not being some challenge. In any case, there is precedent for issuing a pardon when no crime has been proven. Although there is precedent, I still believe that it was ex-constitutional and stinks worse than a Chicago sewer.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 7 months ago
    Interesting "what if". I think we'll have to cross that bridge if we get to it. My thinking is she is not Martha Stewart, so she won't go to jail. She will be the Dem nominee, not because she is the best qualified, rather, according to her supporters, it's her turn and she's entitled to win.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah yes....but are they rogue? The only laws forbidding them from voting any way they want are state laws and as we've seen those don't count.

    If state laws counted Congressional delegates to the federal government could be recalled. One of the powers not delegated. But they can't and that means....states don't count.

    The next step is winner take all nationwide
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 7 months ago
    Nothing will happen. We have 2 sets of laws on this country. One for the common folks and one for the power elite. The power elete tends to have 2 sets of rules based on who the mass media likes or dislikes.
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  • Posted by starznbarz 9 years, 7 months ago
    At the conclusion of the National party at the news of Clinton pacing in her cell, the reality would kick in that the indian princess was now in power, Harry Reid would stroke from all the blood rushing to one part of his body, Obama would volunteer the services of Valerie as "transitional VP" and Michelle would return to writing her manifesto against white liberty from an office at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
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