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Liberty, Military Service, and Objectivism

Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 6 months ago to Government
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"This is my inaugural blog post as the Liberty Pirate and it is Veteran’s Day 2015. I am an Army infantry veteran. And those that know that fact about me are likely to thank me “for my service” today. I am likely to say, “you’re welcome”. And that is the polite thing to do. However, it might come as a shock to know I did not serve you in any way. Furthermore, had I lost my life, it would not have been a sacrifice on your behalf."

BTW - this is my new blog. www.thelibertypirate.com. And this is the inaugural post. Hope to have more up this weekend and then 1-2 per week.


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Our system doesn't allow for suited just cannon fodder. Anyone can be made to fit the mold. But in truth they are not suitable. To find your answer re-read Heinlein and Starship Troopers skip the POS movies. Volunteer only for government service. May apply for any position. Will be assigned where needed according to skills or ability to become skilled. Once sworn in they are sent home for a week. If they don't come back they don't come back. No more chances. Hence to training .....round holes for round pegs as much as possible. What job limits? None. May not have what it takes to make a military assignment there are lots of other needs as Khalling pointed out.Serve a set hitch of three to four years then get the rewards. The right to vote for one. Those that wish to may opt for career status in both civilian and military type assignments. In the militry everone is a combat soldier first and some other skill - If accepted...higher pay and retirement that is actually paid etc. Next no one can go to Officer Candidate School who has not made at least Corporal preferably Sergeant in the officer, non-commissioned corp and has not served a tour in combat areas or as near as possible. Those who serve complete hitches of 6-8 years can opt for reserves or stay in to retirement. Needs of the service come first. IF they survive they get two extra benefits. First choice on civilian government jobs. Second the right to hold public office. They have proved their value to and willingness to defend society. What of those who don't volunteer. Nothing except can't vote and no government jobs. They go on with life get educated etc. etc. That's the essence of Heinlein's program. I don't agree with all of it but with most of it. Something as important as the ability to wage war should no be left to the uninitiated. LBJ a good example. He did wear Lieutenant Colonel's uniforms and did go to Hawaii - as a Congressional - and did get a medal or two. Then slaughtered 60,000 of us for nothing. I recommend the whole book. Written on three levels. And not a secular progressive in sight. But to revert back to the statement of Khalling yes it's important and yes there is a way to do exaclty that. IF you, me or us are in charge. and in control. If not it's baby factory and cannon fodder time.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The cite I gave was strictly Muslim in source. Quite blunt. I doubt they need another Westerner to correct thier misinterpretation.
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  • Posted by illucio 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the insight. We call it "suicide bombing", I think muslims call it something else.

    Suicide is a very complex subject. Today, it´s been categorized as being part of a sickness, but that´s if your into psychiatry and psychoanalysis.

    As for the term at hand, the Koran is an old book, as is the Bible. It isn´t rare that many use certain passages to control and get people to do things blindly. I´m sure, as the bible itself, that it´s full of contradictions also.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is obvious, but must be said, that if a war is not popular enough for volunteers to man it, then it should not be fought. The purpose of the draft is to fight wars that should not be fought.

    You come from a good family.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True my father and five brothers were six of them. Different times but two points stick out.
    Not everyone volunteered. Roosevelt suspended all civil rights such as they were in those days.
    He was a good wartime leader but he set the tone and the stage that it is all right to suspend morals, values, and standards including those suposedly set in stone in the constitution for the exigencies of the moment. That now means we give up our rights and replace them with TSA and a protective echelon only means the terrorists foreign and domestic won the battle and the war.

    That's your key points 9/11 was fourteen years ago. The war was declared won. Why are 320 million citizens still serving a sentence without benefit of trial, jury or legal assistance fourteen years later?

    Back to WWII there were so many volunteers they used the draft system to process them into the military. I would guess the answer is yes there were enough but their status changed using that system instead of listing them as Regulars.

    It's a shame that war is still in progress and the fight against fascism continues.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually the Koran specifically forbids suicide
    In depth discussion article
    http://www.aljazeerah.info/Islam/Isla...

    Forbidden is suicide by the individual or causing death of innocent people by their actions.

    The references are many and all agree.

    Those who commit suicide are barred from Paradise. Martyrdom is something else and I could find nothing that allowed suicide to be termed martyrdom. Especially where innocents were involved and that is not restricted to innocent muslims.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    Blog first. Knowing nod accepted you had me by one year. your take on paperorplastichanksforservinghaveaniceday is very similar except I'm prone to answer. "I never serve the country not once in 24 years. My oath was to the Constitution. So while I accept your intent - it isn't true." I learned that from a guy who did lose his life. I just wish the citizens hadn't sold us and our country out while our backs were turned fighting their wars.

    Good luck I'll be following the blog. Nice to hear some honesty besides my own.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The thing about a draft is that it enslaves young men. Draftees are forced to work for below market wages or go to jail! For example, in 1963 (the year I entered the service) new enlistees/draftees were paid $78 per month plus room and board. The room held up to 70 of us. The board (meals) were valued at $1.00 per day for the 3 meals we were furnished. For what its worth, minimum wage in 1963 was $1.25 per hour.

    At these prices, the only volunteers were those of us who wanted to avoid the Army. My point is that the government got very cheap labor from young men while defense contractors made huge profits.

    After I was commissioned I was a contracting officer - one of the people who bought $400 hammers if you will. Working for DOD as a contractor is a no lose proposition for those companies. The only competition is who can buy the best congress people so the contract comes your way.

    So, your comment is puzzling to me as I'm not sure how you figure an Axis win would improve the lot of the poor? War only benefits "bullet makers" as far as I can see????
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is that why we were there? I remember with Kosovo it started with support what he prez tells you to do and finally finished with anti-genocide but not too much of that was unearthed...although that party backed off on it where Iraq was concerned I guess it 's ok for a government to slaughter it's own people if they are the Demos Ragheads but not if they are the Dumbos ragheads.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Our involvement in the Balkan civil wars was a prime example of a conflict that didn't serve our national interest in any way. What happened was our European "friends", who used our willingness to bear the Western world's military burden to build their bloated welfare states, threw up their hands and cried for help, when the conflict, like all the other European wars, was of their own making.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 6 months ago
    So your saying you served because it was in your own self interest to do so?
    Altruism is a choice of the moment, not a virtue to be sought.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Was the draft necessary in order to achieve that victory, blackswan? I would agree that fighting and winning was necessary, but, from what my parents said, after Pearl Harbor there were lots of volunteers.

    I just did a brief internet search on the question, but not found any data discussing the hypothetical "Would there have been enough volunteers in the US to defeat both Germany and Japan in WWII without the draft?" Do you have any good sources that discuss this?

    Jan
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  • Posted by illucio 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yeah, I´ve just lately started using the term Satanist. Here in Argentina, Objectivism is said Positivismo, but none understand. They think it´s staying optimistic or something. And to say Satanist is far worse, but I too enjoy the look on their faces. I mean, speak of the devil...hahaha. Thanks for the compliments !
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  • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Does that mean that if the US lost to the Axis powers, the poor would improve their lot in life? If not, then your comment is puzzling.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    Probably a better salutation would be, "Thanks for being in the service." But even that may be too much. If we were to apply the same standard to other jobs, it could get pretty ridiculous. Thanks for your engineering benefits, thanks for your music, very entertaining, thanks for being a doctor, the life you save someday might be mine, etc. On the other hand, the military exists specifically to protect me as I am part of the everyone they are sworn to protect. And, that's also true of the police. So, perhaps, "Thank you for your service" isn't too inappropriate.
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  • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even more abominable are the so-called "rules of engagement," where our troops have to get permission to return fire after being fired upon. Whoever thought that up should be shot.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 6 months ago
    Quite right. There is a proper reason for being wil-
    ling to risk one's life, rather than to live as a slave.
    It does not mean that man is to live as a slave to
    the collective, whether it be the family, the race, the economic class, or the nation.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can only speak for myself. I found Rand while on active duty. Objectivism helped me understand the craziness that is the military.

    As to sacrifice, xthinker has it right. My goal was to always follow General Patton's admonition: "I don't want you to die for your country, I want you to make those other bastards die for theirs.!"

    The draft was a bunch of rich old men making poor young men give up a significant (if not all) of their lives to make the rich richer.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago
    I note a lot of military and ex-military in the Gulch. I wonder what the percentage is. Does 'military service' incline one to a Randist view of the universe? Is it the other way around and a Randist view incline one to join the military?

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with your statement that those who were not in the military can be productive. (I do not think that anyone has stated or implied otherwise.) I am surprised that you say that you were uncomfortable discussing this - it is hard for me to imagine this in you!

    I would be interested if you feel like elaborating further.

    Jan
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