Abaco,

you are not alone by any stretch.

If it weren't for Rush Limbaugh, the left would still have a stranglehold on the news. We really do owe him a big thank you. Do you really want to return to the days of Uncle Walter on the news every night without anyone to give a rebuttal?

Liberty is always one generation away from tyranny. Jefferson also said "When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty."

I doubt there is anyone on this thread, or site that saw a free America. The civil war ended it in principle and it took another 40 years for the laws to end it legally.

Unless you were alive pre 1915 you have never seen a free society. Since that time it has ever moved closer and closer to tyranny.

Today we lease our property we paid for from the state. We have no right to half hour income as it is taken from us. We do not even have the right to decide for ourselves if a seat belt is something we want to wear, and we are not far away from no longer having the right to decide what we eat.

We are all slaves to the state to some degree.

Unless you believe there is hope to remove property tax so we can truly own our property, to remove income tax so we can own the sweat of our own labor and to return to only consumption and excise taxes. Unless you think we can role back the and return that power to the state, it is over.

I argue it has been past the point of no return since 1915. By then we had removed the idea that voting is a privilege, remove the idea of state representation in the federal government, removed the idea that that the highest power was the individual. All replaced with the idea that the greater good was the highest principle.

Ultimately if you cannot remove the idea of the greater good from our society. The idea that "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." you cannot bring America back.

It is over, and will be until a society understands that the only thing a government exists for is to protect the rights of the individual. That no collective rights exists and there is no greater good than the individual.

The Greeks started with this basic idea, the Romans built an empire on it. IN 570 AD Muhammad had more respect for the individual than the feudal system in the areas that were once Rome, and that is why they succeeded where the later muslims failed to expand and contracted. The side closest to individualism wins, I have seen no case where this is not true, but I am sure there is one or two so I cannot say it is completely true.

Only a revolution, economic failure, major plague or massive natural disaster will change this course we are on. Without one of these, it is over and has been for 100 years.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Perhaps the time has come to water the tree.

Ben Franklin was asked "What have you given us?" His reply was "A constitutional republic, if you can keep it." He was being optimistic when he said "It may last for 100 years."

At this point, it is over, unless the rank and file wake up, only then would it be possible to save our nation. Years of Obama misconceptions have ruined the black families, ruined the white families, done nothing for anyone to raise them up to independence. As long as no one takes responsibility, these hack politicians will allow other cultures to seep into the US and destroy our once great culture forever. Parents have let government and government schools tell them what their children should believe, without question. As with Mao, it began with the children, as it did also with Hitler's Youth. I enjoy Savage, and admire his ability to still hope for ultimate preservation of our country. .

Just the latest chapter in an ongoing war between those who wish to make their own choices in life, and those who want others to make the choices for them. Compare the views of Hobbes ("Leviathan"), who believed that the individual lacked the power to control his own "short, brutish" life, and needed a dominating, controlling central authority to protect him from inevitable disaster, with those of Locke, who felt the best kind of society could only result from the company of individuals with the liberty to be responsible for their own fortunes.

Human society seems cursed to oscillate between the extremes of tyranny and liberty. Each oscillation promises greater individual liberty on one swing, and a closer brush with human extinction on the other.

All Utopian visions collapse under the force of reality, and when they do, either enlightenment or destruction result. The best we can do is try to direct the collapse toward enlightenment.

I tend to think that the assassination of JFK was one of the final nails. It was a loss of innocence. Sure, we went to the moon after that. Then what? Vietnam, etc. Just down hill... The only bright spots were brought on by an industry (Silicon Valley) that could explode before being snared by regulation...the internet, PCs, relational databases...But, what else has there been?

Yes. I used to listen to Savage long before he went national, on KSFO here in the Bay Area. He was great back then and the left would pull all kinds of shenanigans to get him pulled. To this day, he'll mention some of those people involved when, now, they get charged with molestation or some other thing. His show was great back then. I'm not sure I can find it here now. He, I believe, was run out of UC Berkley because he was of clear thought.

The only time he really missed the mark with me was his rant on autism. Much to my surprise, he was way off.

Agreed. He's nothing but a flame-thrower with a wide range. Another religionist pretending to be rational. Scratch him and you'll find Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Bill O'Reilly.

"Has anybody on earth seen this the way I do?"
Mr. Savage, meet the Gulch.

Your comment on democracy is correct, however, we don't have a democracy, regardless of the loose talk pretty much everywhere. We have a Constitutional Republic; a very different thing. It's time we used its provisions to defend it.

LOL. They do have a different flavor........

I prefer my metaphors scrambled, not stirred.

If so Michael Savage is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Way earlier than that. FDR and the progresso-fascists of the first half of the 20th century put in place every seed that is now being reaped for our destruction.

There's a +.

I almost told a soccer mom "friend" of mine the other day that I wasn't scared of violent criminals. They are few and getting less. The real reason for somebody to own guns is because somebody like her can vote.

Molon labe

The current downfall of America began when in the late 60s the Democratic Party took up many of the causes and rhetoric of the American Communist party. A little sugar coating here and there as well as a few setbacks, but it has all led to the current DNC values and president BHO. The remaining year of BHO's administration is going to be one of reckless disregard and lawlessness of American values and executive orders. So, is it over? It's up to us and the next generation. Right now the biggest threat to America is not the deficit or illegal immigration. Rather, a political class at the national level without term limits (political royalty) and unlimited "legal" immigration from muslim countries.

Last I heard Dr. Savage, he was saying we lost the battle, not the war. At his core, he seems to believe in the prospect of breaking the left's stranglehold around the necks of the half of this country that produces anything.

"A democracy contains within it the seeds of its own destruction and that is the natural way of things."
Human societies are complex organisms and as such they will die one of two ways; fall victim to a predator or succumb to senescence. Immortality is not an option.

The shooting hasn't even started.
To quote two most eloquent responses.
"I have not yet begun to fight." John Paul Jones
"Nuts" Anthony McAuliffe

There are still patriots like these men.

Funny, pretty much the opposite thing bothers me about talk shows. In general they have to keep acting like there is some hope and that we just need to do this or that and then we will be a conservative nation again. I see no actual evidence to support this hope. I love Rush Limbaugh's insights and I think Shawn Hannity is a good guy but I get very tired of them acting like we can win. I find it very refreshing when someone actually faces reality and admits everything is lost and that we are not even "America" any more and have not been for a long time. It is very sad but Abaco is exactly right in his comments on this thread.

I'm not rolling over for libtard clowns.
I am dino--
Hear me ROAR!