Does gender offend you?
Posted by davidmcnab 9 years, 6 months ago to Culture
In recent years, I've been seeing gender coming under sustained attack, of relentlessly increasing intensity.
People are now arguing that the very concept of male and female gender is restrictive, oppressive, discriminatory, and needing to be done away with.
The new PC-fashionable derogatory term is "genderist" (or "gender binary"), which is being hurled around with similar viciousness to the terms "racist" and "sexist" in the 1960s-80s.
I am happy and grateful to be male, and my wife is happy and grateful to be female. But we're starting to see an era in which we will be increasingly marginalised and ridiculed for honouring our natures.
It kinda shocked me the other day to see a female Facebook friend on social media, whining about the existence of separate "Boys' toys" and "Girls' toys" aisles in department stores. And another friend is saying she wants to tour around eastern Europe "as a man".
Meanwhile, some jurisdictions are now allowing births to be registered without gender.
How do folks here feel about gender? Personally, I do see some links between those attacking gender, and those attacking ownership and economic self-determination.
What are your thoughts?
People are now arguing that the very concept of male and female gender is restrictive, oppressive, discriminatory, and needing to be done away with.
The new PC-fashionable derogatory term is "genderist" (or "gender binary"), which is being hurled around with similar viciousness to the terms "racist" and "sexist" in the 1960s-80s.
I am happy and grateful to be male, and my wife is happy and grateful to be female. But we're starting to see an era in which we will be increasingly marginalised and ridiculed for honouring our natures.
It kinda shocked me the other day to see a female Facebook friend on social media, whining about the existence of separate "Boys' toys" and "Girls' toys" aisles in department stores. And another friend is saying she wants to tour around eastern Europe "as a man".
Meanwhile, some jurisdictions are now allowing births to be registered without gender.
How do folks here feel about gender? Personally, I do see some links between those attacking gender, and those attacking ownership and economic self-determination.
What are your thoughts?
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First do no harm...
anyone???
Also did not think gobbledygook was a real word so I checked.
Dictionary.com: language characterized by circumlocution and jargon, usually hard to understand
A confused person can be controlled and manipulated far better than one who knows who he or she is. Clarity of reality is liberating.
I would also point out that "importance" is a matter of subjective value. It is not an objective measure.
I'll give you a close to me example. Cerebral Palsy and Cleft Palate.
The seeking is over. Used to be we sent her uip to Children's Hospital in LA. Thanks to Obama and the crackdown on illegals which is bearing so much positive fruit and the second government and their very high priced passport books that's no longer possible. The Doctor's now come to us and that costs even more money. This time the operations ceased Seven in total needed and three to go to provide funding for better candidates.
But all that aside ......what's that got to do with someone who decides they want to be some 'thing' else? Shall we call them perthings or huthings? Can't say per-sons that's sexist. Can't say people it's ...i don't know what the objection is this time to that word. Instead we get rid of helsman and say helmer or helm no we get Junior Assisstant West Coast person in charge of wheels and tillers. Maybe things or thangs but not sweet thangs. pretty soon it will be sweet persons and we start over laughing again.
The kid is doing fine. She doesn't speak yet but she makes sounds that do for yes no hungry or I'm really pissed about something.
That's what about them. The government FAILED so as usual we had to pay for nothing and then go do the job as a family should ourselves.
Washington DC Kiss My Ass
XY = male
XX = female
I did not know if the inaccuracy was due to a typo or because you actually thought the reverse to be true, and I wanted to drop you a clue rather than make a big deal of it. Please see Wiki 'Sexual determination in humans': " Females have two X chromosomes, and males have a Y chromosome and an X chromosome. ".
Jan
XX is female. XY is male.
The Y chromosome is a massively cut-down version of the X chromosome, but with major genetic code changes which naturally express in the characteristics we have come to know as masculinity.
Second, there is approx one in every 1,666 births are 'not XX or XY', so genetic sexual abnormalities happen relatively frequently. These people are all around you, and you do not even know it (and they may not either).
Thirdly, MYOB. This is the decision of the individual, not of the society. If someone wants to portray themselves as a particular gender - or as no particular gender, it is a bit out of line for a group of proponents of individual freedom insist that everyone else conform to their standards. Most people are genetically male or female and will naturally identify their gender with their genes. But if they don't, it is THEIR choice.
Lastly, I think there will come a day when you can change your genetic gender. This may happen within our lifetimes. So I think that gender may eventually be in the class of 'dye your hair red today'. It really does not matter if someone is intergender any more than if they dye their hair. (If they are prickly about it, it is because they are being a jerk as a person, not because they are intergender - anyone can be a jerk.)
Jan, XX
Next, shame the men for the same reason (and their role in it). Get them to pity the plight of the poor berated downtrodden "weaker vessel." Get them to question their fathers, by focusing solely on the errors made by the few, not the victories and improvements of the many. Employ their natural sense of protectiveness and their desire to defend in getting them to change their perspective on sex roles... even while belittling them for being "programmed" in such an "obviously viscous and barbaric manner" and way. Attack the gender roles and you will eventually come to where we are today. Render them all individual actors, dependent, demoralized, sexless, role-less, and confused and you can make them do whatever you choose.
Yes. It's a conspiracy. A conspiracy authored by the Devil himself, who stands and cries "Equality!" even to his very maker.
The only solution is found in Christ The King. (For if there is not a Good King in Heaven who endows all men with certain unalienable righs, who loves us all and commands us to do the same... then from whence do we draw our grievance against the will of those who would oppress?)
I'm always astounded by alleged "Libertarians" or Ayn Rand 'followers' who seem to be flying those flags just below the Conservative Christian flag.
It seems that they ARE vain enough to think THEY 'have the right answers' and anyone who disagrees with them ARE 'Satan's Spawn' and will rot in hell in the afterlife (aside from no data to prove OR disprove that...)
And, for some reason, they DO seem to 'care' about this issue, despite their repetition that they don't, plus protests against 'others shoving their ideas down their throats' while to me, it appears that all the 'others' are 'demanding' is equal treatment under applicable laws and equal "rights" that should be enjoyed by everyone.
In the same vein, (not a drug reference, for pussies in the audience, btw,) if someone ELSE self-identifies as a gender or even 'inclination' which does NOT reflect their external reproductive apparatus, Why The Fuck is it Such A Big Fucking Deal to oppose Their Right To Do So???
Find me One logical path that does not have its roots in religion. I love the Socratic Method, I love being an atheist, and I am truly disappointed in the responses from so many people on this thread and related subjects.
I'm glad I supported the creation of the AS movies, but the general reaction and trends here when Religion or Sex(uality) is the subject here is Really Encouraging me to not participate any more.
I do appreciate the feedback from 'all sides' in this matter, and also appreciate the added impetus to change my mind.... about 'contributing' where contributions aren't welcome.
Cheers, all.
What about sex and gender? Sex is biological, gender is about roles and expectations.
Please try to be precise.
Jan
Once you are talking about gender roles then almost by definition you can no longer be precise because there is a very wide spectrum of roles that people fall into and move among through their lives. Classifying you as a specific one of these is inevitably limiting.
Would you call a newborn a "man?" Man carries many more connotations than just the specifics of biology.
Just trying to keep this conversation precise.
And what is really more important or more real? One's mind or one's DNA?
Gee, seems I've read something like this in the recent past.
Global Warming...excuse me...Climate Change is another of those issues that could readily have been described in Ayn Rand's works. After all, when satellite data shows actual temperature data, but that data is constantly rejected by some "97% of scientists"...is this not exactly the kind of thing described in Atlas Shrugged?
A is A...period.
And on a side note, take your damnation talk and shove it you know where.
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