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Letter to liberals from my e-mail

Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 6 months ago to Entertainment
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we received this today and thought that it might be
worth sharing:::

Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives,
socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters:

We have stuck together since the late 1950s for the sake
of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has
made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated
each other for many years for the sake of future generations,
but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.

Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever
agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly
terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable
differences and go our own way.

Here is our separation agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass,
each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but
I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement.
After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective
representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both
sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

We don't like redistributive taxes, so you can keep them.
You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops,
the NRA and the military.
We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and
you can go with wind, solar and bio-diesel.
You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. You
are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle
big enough to move all three of them.
We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical
companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
You can have your beloved lifelong welfare-dwellers, food
stamps, homeless (except for the Vets), homeboys, hippies,
druggies and illegal aliens.
We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey-moms, greedy CEOs
and rednecks.
We'll keep Bill O'Reilly and Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood.
You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right
to invade and hammer places which threaten us.
You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help
provide them security.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political
correctness and Shirley MacLaine. You can also have the U.N. –
but we will no longer be paying the bill.
We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars.
You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.
You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem."
I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine," "I'd Like to Teach
the World to Sing," "Kum Ba Ya" or "We Are the World."
We'll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to
give trickle up poverty your best shot.
Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name
and our flag.

Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other
like-minded liberal and conservative patriots, and if you do not
agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you
might think about which one of us will need whose help
in 15 years.

Sincerely,
John J. Wall
Law Student, and an American

P.S. Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin & Charlie
Sheen, Barbara Streisand and (Hanoi) Jane Fonda with you.

P.P.S. And you won't have to press 1 for English
when you call our country.

-- j, prompted by jlc
.


All Comments

  • Posted by $ rainman0720 10 years, 5 months ago
    I've been away for a few weeks and I'm late getting to the party...but well said.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please re-read my posts. I have not “accepted the history” as told by either side. Nor have I said a thing about Lincoln’s motives or actions, pro or con. My posts are based on my own understanding of the South (having grown up there in the 1940s and 1950s), my understanding of free-market economics, facts about the Civil War period that are not in dispute, the text of the Confederate Constitution, and a public speech by a man who would become a prominent Confederate officeholder. As far as I can tell, none of the above sources are related to “history as told by the union looters.”
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You choose to ignore the evidence and accept the history as told by the union looters. You have taken this topic far from its origin and keep cherry picking quotes that are irrelevant to the stance of the topic being discussed. The truth of the issue is in Dilorenzo's well researched and supported books. Read them. Don't waste my time with this drivel.
    Check your premises.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “But it is said Mr. Lincoln's policy and principles are against the Constitution, and that, if he carries them out, it will be destructive of our rights. Let us not anticipate a threatened evil. If he violates the Constitution, then will come our time to act. . . Now, upon another point, and that the most difficult, and deserving your most serious consideration, I will speak. That is, the course which this State should pursue toward those Northern States which, by their legislative acts, have attempted to nullify the Fugitive Slave Law. . . Before making reprisals, we should exhaust every means of bringing about a peaceful settlement of the controversy.” – Alexander Stephens, future Vice-President of the Confederate States of America, November 1860.
    http://www.civilwarcauses.org/steph2....
    Slavery was not a side issue.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed, it is a tough area. Perhaps executive contracts with a "as long as you don't screw up" clause.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If it can be shown that something nefarious had occurred (akin to insider trading, for example, which is against the law), then by all means the money should be recovered and perhaps criminal charges brought up against the perpetrators.

    This isn't always the case. For example as Eastman Kodak was going under, the board brought in a new CEO, George Fisher from Motorola, to attempt to "save the company". To bring him on they had to offer a very lucrative contract (obscenely lucrative, IMHO) because no self respecting exec would want to sully his name with a catastrophic failure. Saving a fast falling multi-billion dollar multi-national company is no easy task and, as many expected, it went under in spite of any attempts to save it. George got his "golden parachute" contract fulfilled, which was not illegal in any way in spite of making some people angry over the size of it. [ Side note: Almost all the workers got pretty decent severance packages compared to other companies that went under.]
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 6 months ago
    Back to the opening Comment. You get everything East of the Mississippi and north of the Mason Dixon line. AND Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland and all of Oregon unless you pay for transporting the plants.Should be plenty of room you get to keep Trump in the bargain.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 6 months ago
    This is just silly. A really good example of the loss of rational, logically reasoned thought.

    Keep it up Conservatives, you'll wake up in 2017 with the same kind of nonsense you've lived with for your lifetime.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Knowing the slavers who did the transport and selling were Northerners I wondered if there existed a political affiliation perhaps even Copper Heads or was it more a case of spread across the different parties? Except I would suppose the abolitionists. I am reading through the three volume "History we weren't taught" series
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  • Posted by 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was just suggesting that the mis-managers should be accountable
    for their actions;;; I do not resent anyone's pay if it doesn't involve
    force or coercion!!! . this is a tough area in which to imagine laws
    or methods of arriving at justice, isn't it??? -- j
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  • Posted by 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    your example, mccannon01, gives rise to a question:::
    if the unwise expenditure of bucks in the contract left some
    people enriched just before the failure of the company,
    the argument could be made that those enriched folks
    should cough up the extra bucks to pay creditors during
    the dissolution of the company. . What Say Ye? -- j
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Morrill Tariff passed the Senate in February 1861 by a vote of 25-14. By that time seven Southern states had seceded and their senators had left. If these states had remained in the Union and their senators had voted as a bloc, the tariff would have failed by a vote of 28-25. And the tariff was signed into law on March 2 by outgoing Democratic President James Buchanan. For more details, see
    http://civilwartalk.com/threads/march...

    Also worth noting is that in 1860 the Democratic Party split into northern and southern factions, nominating separate presidential candidates and helping to facilitate the election of Lincoln. Was the tariff to blame? No, the issue that split the Democrats apart was – slavery.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not rational to ignore the actual events of the time in an attempt to portray the entire south or even the people of Tennessee as supporting slavery when it was a minor issue. In fact, Seven states had seceded 4 months earlier and by the time Tennessee had that vote the war was already in progress with Lincoln's action at Fort Sumter. The choice being decided in Tennessee was not whether slavery was approved by the voters, but whether they would allow Lincoln to assess taxes that would wreck the economy of the agrarian south in order to give the money to northern manufacturers that supported Lincoln's election because he promised them corporate welfare at the south's expense. The people of Tennessee had little in common with the manufacturers of New York, but much on common with their agrarian neighbors in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia.
    Lincoln was elected on the tariff issue that he and his supporters were well aware would likely cause at the very least nullification of the tariff by southern states. The tariff of abominations had been tried once before and South Carolina had voted to nullify it. They knew that South Carolina would vehemently oppose it, having declared the earlier version unconstitutional, and that other southern states would likely side with South Carolina. This was a traitorous political move by the looter Whigs and it caused the war.
    All that said, I would also propose that the southern people were likely misled by the southern politicians catering to southern plantation owners, and the northern people were likely misled by northern politicians catering to northern manufacturers. That is what politicians do.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “Tennessee adopted an ordinance of secession in May (1861) and placed the Confederate Constitution before the voters, who endorsed it in August by a vote of 85,753 to 30,863.”
    http://civilwarhome.com/csaconstituti...
    So “The government of the south is not a good example of the people of the south”? It looks to me like an overwhelming reflection of the white people of the south.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    None of that addresses my point. The government of the south is not a good example of the people of the south any more than the federal government today represents the people of America. It represents the economic interests of a few large slave owners at a time when slavery was economically profitable, albeit barely profitable. They were resisting the ruin of their businesses just as the big banks resisted in the economic collapse in 2008. The people of the south had no vested interest in slavery and when it became an economic disaster the slave owners would have switched to more modern economic methods of business. Those who did not would have failed to exist. It would not have happened over night, but it would not have been impeded by the destruction of the south and the animosity that was created by the unjust and immoral tariff war.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let's see it took Mississippi until after the year 2000 to remove those laws. I didn't hear much from the North on that until long after the Civil War. About a hundred years or so after......the rest of the south did it under force of arms and because they knew if they complied they could get more seats in Congress and take their full measure there after rejoining the Northern Democrats and of course RINOs..
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just making sure you don't forget who sold them the slaves. It was all yankees! Just like today. The north and east is predominately pro left wing fascist socialist especially those who will make a buck off of it. I'm not from the South.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, johnpe1, we definitely have some common ground here in the fact I think some of the management of various companies are grossly overpaid. That, however, is a function of the free enterprise system and the contract deals the board of directors and shareholders are willing to put up with. If the contract was somehow fraudulent, then by all means the "system" should have a mechanism to recover the associated value from the perpetrator. However, if the contract was legal and legitimate, regardless if foolish, no matter how jealous, envious, or angry we may be it must be allowed to stand. Keep in mind companies don't always fail from mismanagement or criminal activity, either.

    If shareholders could push the boardroom to not be so generous with their money maybe some sanity can be restored in executive pay.

    As for the taxpayer funding part, that argument (as I said above) is with the legitimacy of a Great Welfare/Bailout State in a supposedly free economy not with private enterprise boardroom decision making, as fine or foolish as it may be.

    As a side note, I have traded/invested in numerous companies over the years and one of the criteria I look at is how much stock/bonds does the management carry in their own companies (by insider trading law this has to be public knowledge for public corporations). It is also important to check if they are buying or selling and why, especially for smaller companies. I am very reluctant to purchase stock in a company whose executives won't hold (or are selling) stock in it themselves.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Those evil Southerners. The case I outlined is merely a rational conclusion based on how slavery declined elsewhere for economic reasons, not based upon the propaganda forced into history books to make Lincoln the Looter look like a saint. However, both sides had faults and slavery was a hideous thing to do to anyone, yet the looters continue to do it today albeit indirectly. That may be the best argument for your scenario. A gradual approach worked elsewhere, but Lincoln had to create his own 'slaves' just as Obama does today, killing hundreds of thousands while pretending to deliver them from dictatorship..
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nor was it confined to the South. The South used slaves. The importers were from the North. Why? Economics and resources. The north built ships the south grew cotton. Cotton out to places like the thriving textile industry in England. A short hop for some goods from various European ports connected with the China Trade perhaps and then a quick pickup of human cargo. Back to the customers in the south....etc. etc. etc. The south banned importation the slave markets moved offshore to places like Cuba. Cui Bono. Some southerners became wealthy enough to buy ships but mostly it was yankee traders and yankee slave traders.
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