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    Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 6 months ago
    Several years ago I was invited to present to a large engineering/tech class at a middle school. It really was fun. The topic was engineering...explaining what being an engineer is like, what we do. I decided to come up with my own definition of engineering before the lecture - one the kids could latch on to. I came up with one that I still use today. "Engineering is using science and mathematics to make the world a better place for people." I like to emphasize "for people", as it flies in the face of much environmentalism.
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  • Posted by DrEdwardHudgins 8 years, 6 months ago
    Love Heinlein! Great quote! Everyone periodically should read/listen to the audio book of "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress."
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    • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
      Yes, that is my favorite of Heinlein's books. Need a thumb drive with more capacity to take Heinlein and Rand on cross country drives ;^)
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
        freedom, I drive 62 miles each way to work 3-4 days a week, and listen to nothing but audio books. Can't tolerate radio. I read every Heinlein book I could as a teen and still listen to them regularly. His social commentary was always compelling, I especially like his definition of value from Starship Troopers, and to this day still use it to try to convince some unbelievers as to just how bad things are across politics, finace and money. I liked the Door into Summer just because it at least allowed someone to outdo the std sneaky looter types with their own tools (other then he had to have time travel).A lot of people found his use of ages and relations in his books to be off, but he always used them to try to breach the concrete walls people had built around themselves and sought to impose on everyone else.
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  • Posted by dwlievert 8 years, 6 months ago
    Rand once remarked that "man's only absolute must be reason." I agree with her, and the logical result becomes, that all other "absolutes" are contextual. If this is true, then all rational questions become relevant, all answers tentative. If you give this a little thought, what this epistemological axiom leads to is the scientific method. Just as mathematics is the "visible" demonstration of reason as an absolute, so is the scientific method the demonstration of its efficacy as that absolute.

    This fundamental tenet of epistemology leads to the moral tenet. The human mind must logically therefore recognize that there is indeed good and evil. For me, there seems to be a universal and succinct desire that lies at the "root of all evil." Contrary to popular religious leanings, it is not money nor the love of it (read Francisco's incredible speech in Atlas Shrugged). As my friend Don Beezley has stated, it is the desire for the unearned. When dealing with those portions of existence that do not include man, a human being quickly learns that it is impossible to get something for nothing. He just as quickly then formulates a higher abstraction that "for nature to be commanded she must first be obeyed." Heinlein's TANSTAAFL sums it nicely.

    Unfortunately, what another friend, Anders Ingemarson calls the "ABC's of accepted morality" (Altruism, Brothers keeper, Common good), together with their inevitable politics, has led to the all too common awareness of seeming to be able to obtain something for nothing. It has literally become an industry. To the extent it and the morality that "justifies" it exists, it simply serves to reinforce the idea that not only can it be done, but that it is morally "proper" to expect, seek, and demand it!
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
    or ship them back to the 7th century.................. -- j

    p.s. I got my first degree -- mechanical engr -- with
    a slide rule. . Pickett 12 inch. . 4 digits, full-scale.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
      Got into math just as they phased out for calculators, and never did master it, but my dad had 2 or 3 floating around all the time, and played with them as a kid. Remember "Slipstick" Libby?
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
        Libby? . missed that;;; please explain what Slipstick Libby
        was all about!!! -- j
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
          He appeared in a Heinlein short "Misfit" with Lazarus Long. He then continues in some later books after being changed into a woman in the later future history books.

          Wiki:
          Andrew Jackson "Slipstick" Libby is a fictional character featured in the "Future History" series of science fiction novels by Robert A. Heinlein. He is an enormously talented and intuitive mathematician, but received little formal education. His talent was first appreciated in the short story Misfit, where he helps guide an asteroid into the correct orbit after the guidance computer has failed.

          In later stories he changes sex to become Elizabeth Andrew Jackson Libby.
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          • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago
            I will have to check that out. . gender changing in an
            earlier time. . Robert H was my absolute favorite!!! -- j
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
              Indeed, Libby plays an important role in the Future History stories with LL. The Number of the Beast, Time Enough For Love are two of the more prominent ones. I was furious when his wife allowed them to butcher Starship Troopers and turned it into a travesty. It had so much to offer in the way of social commentary.
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              • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 6 months ago
                There was no possibility that hollywood would have done a movie of that book that RAH or his fans would like. They don't get it, and if they did would never admit it or tell that story. Too contrary to their altered reality.
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                • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                  I do agree with you there. Star Trek Axanar is a perfect example of how you get a 75 million dollar movie for 1.2 million. You are correct about not doing it, which is why the Moon is a Harsh Mistress has been rumored for 10 years and never gotten off the ground. Pacific 201 is another fan film that will put Paramount to shame. But the two movies are an excellent example of how a bunch of producers (both the people who make the film and the thousands who contribute to fund it) can get together and do something really good, and effectively produced. Tells me that most movie budgets are bloated by about 95%.
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                  • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
                    Bloated to reward actors and directors for their propaganda value?
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                    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                      Or just simple incompetence and corruption. Go to You tube and look at the video Axanar did for San Diego comic con and what Richard Hatch has to say. He basically says a 100 million movie is only because 75 million is wasted or lost. The movie companies do not control costs at all, and his point is you can make a great movie on a small budget when you have competent people. Big Business does not encourage competent people, just the opposite.
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                      • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
                        CG technology now provides a way to do many things cheaply that once had to be done with many craftspeople often showing great ingenuity. Those people are still being employed to create illusions needed, but they have rarely been highly compensated individually. Some friends are such capable craftsmen, currently working on the Clint Eastwood film about Sully Sullenberger. Eventually their work will be done with CG.
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                        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                          That is true, but has not been reflected in the costs structure, with highly CG supported films costing more. JJ took the opposite turn with the new Star Wars film, building sets. While a few craftsmen are needed, it opens the door to a different group: CG artists. But they still have a place, if you go to Axanar's website and look at the Captains blog, you will see the awesome work a few craftsmen are doing making the hard sets needed. Very skilled and awesome work there.
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  • Posted by Blanco 8 years, 6 months ago
    I first read Rand and Heinlein back in the early 70s when I was a college student -- great influences on my life.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
      I wish they made Heinlein required reading, all of his books. He spanned such a wide path of thought provoking stories, you had to digest what it was he was trying to point out. His later Lazarus Long books sent a whole bunch of people over the edge.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 6 months ago
    Couldn't agree with that statement more. The human mind, in spite of and maybe because of, all the lies, disempowerments, confoundations and assaults upon our health and education continues to expand and create in a majority of the population.
    You may disagree but I find 'Conscious Human life' to be amazing and worth saving.
    The basis of the everyday assaults upon us is to eradicate our conscious minds because it is a threat to those that do not have one.
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  • Posted by CTYankee44 8 years, 6 months ago
    Heinlein's tech is dated, but his understanding of hoomanity is timeless!
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 6 months ago
      He did seem to buy into the Malthusian theory, though.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
        I think in the 50's it was in our DNA. Everyone was told the commie bastards were going to bomb us next week. I remember doing air raid drills in elementary scool and the CD shelter signs on a lot of buildings. I think he just made it a standard part of the framework. But it was a constant thread.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
          Just watch a few early episodes of Mad Men to get a pretty accurate reminder of that time period. It was a very different world.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
            Yep. I think everyone under 40 never had that bit of fun and just how crazy it was. I just saw a history special on MacArthur, who wanted to drop 54 nukes on the NK border to stop the Chinese.He thought it was a perfectly reasonable idea, which it was in their framework. One thing they pointed out was he could not adjust to the "new" idea of just what victory means, and we have never looked back...
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            • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
              Hardly surprising since MacArthur was apparently responsible for the bonus army massacre and he was rewarded for it when he should have been court martialed and executed.
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                Yes, I saw that in a History channel documentary and he was an arrogant SOB then. I do not think he was a genius general, General Vandegrift of the marines (who took Guadalcanal) was much more gifted and savvy.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      The military has still not caught up with a decent Cap Troopers set of gear nor the Cap Troopers Polka.
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
        Nor a decent suit, but they seem to be working on them. I loved his take on officers and the 3% allowed in the MI. It would be great if the US military emulated it. I also loved his requirement that all officers came from enlisted. Would also be a huge improvement.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Enlisted with combat time. I'm quite sure the the main thrust of military education in the academies is teaching the future butter bars why they do not have follow their oath of office either the cadets oat or the constitutional oath..
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          • Posted by $ johnrobert2 8 years, 6 months ago
            I think the requirement only applied to MI. All others did not. Witness Carmen as a pilot and Carl as a researcher. I applaud RAH for his take, in this book, of allowing anyone who wanted badly enough to serve to do so. They would be slotted to a job which would fit their capabilities and abilities. I also applaud his use of veterans who were no longer combat capable to serve in other capacities, i.e. the recruiting sergeant, to allow those who were to serve as they had been trained. I wish our current DoD, and administration, had the same pragmatism. I would gladly be one of those numbers.
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          • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
            Exactly. I saw that my last year of active duty, the E8/9s were only concerned with how the "E9 mafia" looked at them, and the junior officers showed up unable to tie their shoes. I refused to come out of 3 section watch standing when the COB of our boat refused to put them in 4 section, when every other senior watchstation was in it. I could have been in some ridiculous rotation as a diving officer (like one watch every 2 days) but my guys would still be 6 on 12 off. Te JO's were really bad, I had 3rd class POs with more common sense. That was when I came to realize college meant nothing, everything you knew you had to learn for yourself.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
              Occasionally I had a college professor that actually cared about teaching, but that was rare. Although high school admittedly, in retrospect, included far too much propaganda and not near enough exposure to the real concepts of liberty, many more teachers understood what to teach and how to encourage me. I was sorely disappointed in college. I should have been allowed to take proficiency exams for all that drivel that I already understood from high school. At a minimum, 3 years out of 4 were wasted time. At least the cost in dollars was not so insane, and political correctness and diversity were not the priority then that they are now.
              Today, if I had children, I would definitely make time to home school them.
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              • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 6 months ago
                Luckily, I was able to do all my college online through UnivofPhoenix. If you actually need to know something, college is not the place to get it. Almost all the jobs I have seen at work that require Masters and Phds could be filled with smart people who have 4 years equivalent in the factory.The whole college thing is just a cover for everyone who went to feel superior to those who didn't. By far the people who I have run into who I respect as knowing what they are doing, gained their knowledge through experience. I do not doubt some classes have value, just the whole idea I do not think is valid.
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