Gulch Live: Radio Interrupted 09.18.2015

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Links from the show...
The Geneh War - Near Future Science Fiction with a Philosophical Flavour
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...

Net Step and Civic Sports
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...

How To Be a Rocket Scientist - or succeed like one
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...

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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    hey, that's cool. Pacifico. Tecate is too smokey tasting and Dos E well not avail all the time :)
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Politely I disagree. A country DOES have values. That is why they have a constitution in the first place. Countries are at least supposed to be the embodiment of the thoughts/values of their individuals.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Keep it up.
    Endeavor to Perservere and when the day is over and the kids tucked in their beds. Give 'em a hug, grab a mug and pour yourself a ...Tecate, Dos XXs, Pacifico!

    Unalienable not Inalienable.

    I was happily successful in hooking up to Radio Free North America in now to go find a headset with a speaker and see if that works though I think I will speak only when spoken too. Objectively speaking with some subjective hopes.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    LOL best laugh of the day. in 1780-all sorts of border patrol and customs agents. still laughing! enjoy laughing-makes my day and often you do that sweetly for me. today_I'm laughing with narrowed eyes good friend
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am arguing that an individual has the right to further his life, in the best means he sees fit. I would expect it of you, my daughter, my son, my husband, my dad.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Michael, today was really hard. My gardener's family was here. They all speak english. One of the young sons asked, "we have diseases?" fucking amazing.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They keep those principles alive and do not brush principles to the side of the road in order to pass. This is important. don't you think I would like to say build a big ass wall?! My principles check me on that.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nor would much of the north it was after all the north that was using indentured servants in much the same way and demanded the 3/5ths rule.

    They also gave us the way to effect change. Amendment. Not shyster trickery nor dictatorial edicts. We ought to try that sometime.

    Why not write up your proposed amendment for immigration for consideration?

    I would favor inserting those born of one or more US parent out of the country who have taken out a Certificate of Citizenship should be allowed to run for President. And changing the census requirement from people to citizens and visitors for apportionment purposes. I might also think about immigrants and refugees as two separate issues to address.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the source of authority is "

    § 2-1 THE SOURCE OF THE FEDERAL POWER

    Throughout the history of the United States the Supreme Court has upheld all manner of federal statutes regulating immigration. By contrast, Supreme Court decisions preclude states from passing legislation that directly impinges on this area of federal dominion. The Supreme Court’s basis for action is clear when the area regulated is naturalization. Article 1, § 8, clause 4, of the United States Constitution specifically grants Congress the power to establish a "uniform Rule of Naturalization." By expressly allocating this power to Congress, the Constitution prevents the confusion that would result if individual states could bestow citizenship. The Constitution does not, however, explicitly provide that the power to deny admission or remove non-citizens rests with the federal government as opposed to state governments. Hence, in the early immigration cases the Supreme Court faced the problem of identifying the source of the federal government's exclusive and plenary power over immigration. Later cases found the plenary power to be an inherent sovereign power."

    So there are no 9th and 10th Amendment issues.

    There are several others pertaining 14th Amendment is one of them.

    As for my own opinion the answer is no. It there is No. That means the most heinous criminals could be automatically allowed in?

    What am I saying they are including a five times serial killer.

    I would expect it to be enforced by more than a slap on the wrist and temporary deportation.

    As for regulating the amount yes, giving preference to those with job skills we need yes, but regulating and having different standards for each country or ethnic group no that's where it crosses the line from the practical to the impractical. as for your last sentence Subjectivists could never have founded a country anywhere. The mindset is saying is the same a doing and that doesn't grow carrots for the stewpot.

    A useful blend as we learned in high school Civics however usually will carry the day in any effort.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, would you agree to any immigration section in a Constitution that did not allow completely free and open immigration?? Sign your name to that Constitution? Fight for ratification in your state?
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  • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 7 months ago
    I threw out a general garment K. You're the one claiming it fits you.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago
    @x. and now ad hominem. K dogmatic. how about "principled."
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
    nothing on immigration or emigration in the immediate list of quotes
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  • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Would you agree to any immigration section in a Constitution that did not allow completely free and open immigration??
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  • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't say Objectivism couldn't have led to the founding of the country - only that Objectivists could not have done it. They tend to be more dogmatical and quicker to brand heresy than the worst of the Inquisition.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
    She said something about being thankful for the ability to move out of Russia and specifically to the USA but nothing else comes to mind on immigration. I'll review my source material.
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 7 months ago
    @x. "Objectivists could have never founded this country." Objectivism is based on Aristotle and Locke. The Enlightenment. The body of the work, is this. ALL men (not just those born and raised in the US) are EQUAL under the Law. You have some re-reading to do, my friend. :)
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  • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 7 months ago
    If it had been my ideas, i probably would have ditched the preamble to the 2nd amendment, I would have ditched slavery and outlawed it entirely. But then, in that case, NO, it would not have been founded. Because the southern states would not have agreed to the outlawing of slavery.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
    If it were my ideas? I rewrote the Constitution once to suit me. The effort ended up being used by Toastmasters of Las Vegas NV as material for debate and speeches. With my ideas it would have been different but then I have hindsight. For their time they did better than pretty good effort. It was more in the realm of a miracle of foresight
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