U.S. parallels Rome?

Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago to History
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history buffs -- and we all should be, to avoid repetitions --
will register a few yesses and ahas with this article, I bet!!! -- j
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 7 months ago
    I've been wondering if The Great And Powerful O will view a President Trump, Carson, Cruz, whoever as a threat toward "undo(ing) all my hard work," as the emperor has very recently fretted, and proclaim martial law for life. Plenty are the idiots who would support that.
    Hail Caesar!

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/politic...
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I read it long ago, and regard it as a classic example of the "post hoc" fallacy.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 10 years, 7 months ago
    Some historians set the start of the decline of the Roman Empire at around the time of Julius Caesar and Augustus.  The Roman and US constitutions have a number of likenesses and similar evolution from their beginning until they became essentially a political tool used, interpreted or ignored.  The US constitution seems to be at the same “evolutionary” place that the Roman constitution was just before Julius Caesar installed himself as emperor.   If this is true and we can use Rome as a template, maybe we can expect the US to drift into a long decline for the next ??? years until Washington D.C. is sacked.   
       The Roman Republic functioned well as long as the Roman Citizens were proud of their country. The citizen was proud as long as the leaders where honorable. In the early years of Rome, the various magistrates voluntarily resigned after one year in office. Even the generals were recruited for one year of service when needed. Roman citizens were known to brag that Rome did not have a King. The citizens had a great deal of liberty that created the greatest economic empire in the world. Where ever the Roman Empire spread it brought a standard legal system along with security and language. Many citizens of countries annexed by Rome were better off than under the original leadership.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we are all now holocaust victims. You may change your mind if you read the book.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I doubt it. If we are, then what group is going to become the Holocaust victims this time?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps longer. The original US Gun Control Law was a direct copy of Hitler's version. As I recall Senator Dodd the First had the Library of Congress translate it into English before submitting it as a bill. I seem to remember but didn't look it predated 1965. And our new protective echelon is a direct copy of the Schutz Staffel of Germany dating back to the 1930's.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 7 months ago
    actually what is and has been going on for 50 years is that the US is paralleling Germany. I suggest you read "Ominous Parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It' should be citizen owned but that's in a system where citizens control the government. In our system it's the other way around by popular and majority consent. Government owned is exactly the correct word at the present time. That' goes for the land under your deeded property. All you own is the right of liability and the right to pay annual rent. These days it is not done behind but right out in the open.Not only affecting private citizens but all property banks included.

    I'm reminded to remind you of the definition of fascist economics. A thin patina of capitalism under complete government control.

    Describing the left as as fascist is not rhetoric it's stating obvious fact.

    The required notion as subscribed and put in place. Divide 'people' into 'citizens' and the new aristocracy.' Sadly with consent of the governed.
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  • Posted by Lucky 10 years, 7 months ago
    The article is too moralistic to be reliable.
    Rome fell due to climate change.
    Sudden then persistent cold severely limited crops which especially in northern Europe devastated agrarian tribes. Cold reduced forests, grasslands and fields thereby reducing the animals on which human hunters lived. Waves of the starving, some in thousands, fled west and south.
    Rome which had culturally decayed from the time of the republic and early empire could not withstand the mass onslaught.
    ( climate change = natural variations in solar radiation received, winds, waves, temperatures, rainfall)

    Yes there are lessons here.
    No need to impose religious moral ideological views on others.
    "Nature, to be controlled, must be obeyed"
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    y'know, the term "government owned" is an oxymoron,
    unless you subscribe to the notion that legal constructs
    can replace people as owners. . there are horrible things done
    behind these constructs. -- j
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. . if integrity and honesty were the "coin of the realm,"
    there would be millions suddenly poverty-stricken who
    were formerly wealthy. -- j
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why 'except' for lead pipes. It's a lead pipe cinch they are still with us somewhere as is lead based bottom paint for ships. The government always exempts itself. There's a reason Navy and commercial ships get a new coat every five years, High content copper every three years and the regular stuff every one or two years. I've worked on ships that had asbestos lagging given the excuse they had less than x number of years until mandatory retirement the watched them go to foreign fleets. It's all about whose pigs are more equal than other peoples pigs.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was fortunate enough to see Pompeii in '68 and I keep on
    seeing the parallels with the current u.s. -- except for the lead
    pipes. . we have the drugs, the loose morals, the power-centered
    "leadership" and the rest. . argh. -- j
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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 7 months ago
    Been sayin' it for years. Not many cared to pay heed. Now, too many ignorant to see parallels and are fated to become footnotes in history, taking us down with them because the avalanche overcomes all in its path.
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