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Kansas GOP proposes new Jim Crow bill

Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 3 months ago to Legislation
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Interesting how the oppressors are trying couch themselves in the language of their victims.

"If you don't let us persecute you, then you're persecuting us!"

The KKK tried to use religion to justify their actions as well. It didn't work for them, either.


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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Didn't say anything about acting 'as' a human. I said 'how' you act as a human.

    That's a big difference. You're searching for controversy by attempting to restate something, as you often do. I think what I stated was fairly straight forward.

    If you desire that I, as an individual or business, deal with you as you act as a person or human, then don't give me information I don't need, care about, or want to know, and then attempt to force or coerce me into interacting with you on that basis.

    Leave the particulars and idiosyncrasies of your life in the proper perspective based on the interaction you're seeking.
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    Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If the hypothetical customer in question is legitimately causing problems, then you have every right to turn that person away and/or have them removed from the premises. Discrimination only applies to immutable characteristics, and of course behavior is not immutable.
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    Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why? I see no reason to permit a business any control whatsoever over who can purchase their products or receive their services. I believe in private ownership and control over the means of production, but not any control over customers. You're selling a product or service to the general public? That's great! But you have to sell it to everybody who wants it and can afford to pay for it. A business owner cannot choose his customers.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Practical" says that I serve whomever I damn well please, and purple jerks need not enter.

    Ever hear of "no shirt, no shoes, no service?"
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    More likely it's because I don 't want to serve a purple jerk. But instead I 'll be accused of being a purple hater and taken to court and forced to perform for a jerk
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    Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure what the legal rationale is. I was merely arguing from a practicality standpoint.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And how do you jump immediately to "minorities"? I did not say that. I said that a business should be allowed to decide on whomever they want to conduct business with based on whatever their criteria are.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From Merriam-Webster: Persecute -
    : to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Technically, it's both. In order to engage in persecution, it is necessary to make a choice of some kind.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Private clubs for wealthy people are fine because economic status is not an immutable characteristic controlled by genetics, which is the only thing that anti-discrimination legislation is concerned with. Now if the club only allowed white millionaires to join, and forbade black millionaires from joining, then we'd have a problem...

    Gyms are one business where I can concede that discrimination based on sex actually has a legitimate purpose. Sometimes women just want a place to exercise in peace without having to worry about men hitting on them all the time.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe I made my point perfectly clear. I'm not quite sure what you're asking for at this point. Are you trying to say that you believe the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was unconstitutional?
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why do people call me malph? I understand that it's supposed to be an abbreviation, but there's no L in my name...

    Anyway, to refute your point, all anti-discrimination legislation applies equally to everyone. For example, the language used in the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which recently passed in Senate and is awaiting a vote in the House uses the terms "sexual orientation" and "gender identity," meaning that it forbids discrimination against straight and cisgender people just as much as it forbids discrimination against gay and transgender people. So no, refusing service to a straight guy for no other reason than because he's straight would not be allowed. Equal protection means equal protection.

    If a particular individual is harassing other customers or engaging in disruptive behavior, then of course the business owner can have that person removed from the premises. Anti-discrimination legislation only forbids a business owner from refusing service because someone happens to belong to a certain group.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh right, I forgot about hate-crime legislation. I guess that makes four categories, then.

    Also education, so five (though private education could technically fall under the category of business).
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your problem is you're after the opposite sex as partners. If you want to have these "magic sex rights" (or is it rites?) you have to chase the SAME sex partners.

    Really is pretty one sided isn't it. If a businessman is approached by a straight guy who the businessman is offended by for some personal reason and he refuses to sell him a widjet, nobody thinks twice about it. Then a gay guy walks in and the owner refuses to sell a widjet to him because he was offended by the gay guy making a pass at him (yuck), now he's going to be sued for some made up discrimination garbage. It's really all about these people deciding that we ARE going to accept their lifestyle or they are going to destroy our lives - which is what happens to people in these suits.

    So who's the bad guy here? I'm pretty sure it's not who malph thinks it is.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, it ought to.

    By the way, anti-dicrimination enshrined in hate-speech and hate-crime apply throughout the nation including race, gender, domestic violence, gender identification, and age just to name a few.

    So beating someone up is battery, unless you're doing it because you don't like something about those classes. It strikes me that beating someone up that you like or don't care about one way or the other is just as bad or at least no worse.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, based on your rationale, a female only gym should be illegal, a males only sauna should be illegal, a private golf club should be illegal (discriminates against those without the funds to join)?
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 3 months ago
    Well, alright Kansas. From the article, the best thing said is >>" And to my mind, a better approach for gay couples and their families is not to try and coerce fundamentalist individuals and businesses into catering to them,"<< This entire concept of forced anti-discrimination through government laws and regulation is seriously dividing this country. Groups forcing society to confront and deal with their particular differences and victimness is the antithesis of a free society and respect for individual rights. There is no or at least a severely reduced value to a service or recognition that is forced from another - why seek it. Equality before the law is the only necessity for a free society. This other nonsense has just gone too far.

    Until I wear a sign that says "I'm a heterosexual that prefers the missionary position" when I'm in public, I really don't want to know what your particular sexual thing is. Tell me or force it into my face and i'm likely to respond to that instead of to how you act as a human.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're intentionally ignoring my point and you know it. List your point or I'm out. Last time malph. Your saying it's a violation is not proof. Quit acting like a troll.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anti-discrimination legislation applies to only three categories: business, housing, and health care. Your private dating life does not fall under any of those three categories.
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    Posted by $ 10 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Constitution is directed against the government, not against the citizens. That's why the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was an act, and not a Constitutional Amendment. Had it been an Amendment, it would have governed only the behavior of the government. To govern the behavior of citizens, the implementation of laws is required, and the Constitution grants unto government the authority to create such laws and regulations as needed.
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