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Kansas GOP proposes new Jim Crow bill

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago to Legislation
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Interesting how the oppressors are trying couch themselves in the language of their victims.

"If you don't let us persecute you, then you're persecuting us!"

The KKK tried to use religion to justify their actions as well. It didn't work for them, either.


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  • Posted by Zenphamy 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hell I'm a minority, I'm an old, bald, fat, white-man with average endowment, but younger women don't want to date me.

    Let's pass a law and stop this discriminating behavior. It's just not fair.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please tell me where you find in the constitution that a business owner can be coerced to sell a product to someone be does not want to. Where you find that even were the decision be based on a personal religious belief, the owner can be compelled by law to violate his religious tenants and moral standards???? You insist that one individual's wants supersede the values, morals, standards of religious faith of another???? How can you believe this error???
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I listened to an audio book version of Atlas Shrugged, which is essentially the same thing as reading it. It's an excellent story, and there's definitely a lot of good stuff in there, but Ayn Rand wasn't right about everything. Her open opposition the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was perhaps her biggest mistake.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 4 months ago
    Another highly false narrative of what the bill says offered once more by another of your gay is god web sites malph. It jumps right out saying how republicans are going to start instilling Jim Crow laws again - BTW, have you forgot the Jim Crow laws were written, passed and enforced by democrats, NOT republicans???? But it has nothing to do with RACE.

    This is nothing less than more gay propaganda written to the lowest of literary ethics.

    The real shame of this piece of trash is that you'd drop it on here with that horrible misleading title. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    You and no other person has any "RIGHT" to tell me that I have to do business with them. MY clients buy my services and if I don't want to do business with them, that's my decision. Have you ever actually READ Atlas Shrugged???

    What really peeves me is that I clicked open ANOTHER of your garbage ALL GAY ALL THE TIME channel threads, I get so tired of this crap.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually no, it is a big issue. Perhaps you're simply not aware of it all because it's not something you're involved with, but it really is a big problem for a lot of people.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The issue here is not being unable to find a product, but rather a product being denied to some while provided to others for no other reason than because of the prejudice of the person who provides the product.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your pastor can do whatever he wants in that regard. Religious leaders need not be forced to preform rituals or ceremonies that they don't believe in or agree with, as that would be a violation of religious freedom. My stance about anti-discrimination legislation is strictly in regards to secular activities such as business, housing, and medical care. In your church you can practice whatever beliefs you want. But when you start providing a secular service to the general public, there are certain standards which apply.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Please explain how my pastor refusing to marry two homosexuals is persecution? I firmly believe that any force that is brought against our church because we will stand against such an abomination is a violation of OUR civil rights. We will not be forced to act differently. If they want married there are ministers who will corrupt their religion and do the act, seek them out.

    Choosing where to buy a loaf of bread is no different.

    A persons race, skin color sex (the real two), religion are the only determining items to establish persecution. You on the gay side want to persecute against us for our religious conviction against homosexuality and deviance and want us serve your needs. That tells us that our moral stand is subservient to your perversion - you are wrong. We have just as much right to not serve you as you have a right to not be forced to listen to us present the gospel to you.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    that is absurd. You want a product that you cannot find? make it, get it, facilitate it. what nonsense
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The principle that persecution of minorities is evil and society needs laws to protect against such things.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry, but I gotta disagree with you there. A business may choose its products and its price, but not its customers.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While I think the proposed legislation is stupid, I do believe that it should be the right of any business to serve or not whomever they choose.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is not possible for members of society to unite in peaceful cooperation without some level of government coercion. The idea that it is possible is the basic principle of anarchy, which I do not believe in.

    Ludwig von Mises discusses this in his book:
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-83rGVCeNZJE/Uq...

    You ask whether it's fair for the potential customer to be the only one with a choice in the transaction, and I say yes, it's perfectly fair because the business inherently has greater power than the customer simply by virtue of the fact that they control the product. Anti-discrimination legislation balances out that power dynamic, putting the customer and business owner on equal footing with each other, which is something that would not happen automatically.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes there are consequences for the use of force in our society. That's good enough. Businesses should be free to associate with whatever clients they wish- just as clients are. Is it fair to say the potential client is the only one with achoice in the transaction? You can punish behavior but you will not transform what a person believes. You will only regulate their actions. Where do you draw the line? If abusiness is truly not allowed to freely associate they should have to provide service to unsavory elements of society known criminals those they do't get along with unwanted trespassers etc. Govt force is a bad idea on this. And Id like to add not a big issue. Rare in fact that businesses discriminate against sexual orientation-unless in fact political issues are forced in their face. If you are picketing outside my place of business against me and come in to buy a coke-I should have the right not to serve you. Businesses have reputations. Too much has been made out of a very small issue.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All law and legislation deals with regulating human behavior in one way or another. To suggest that behavior cannot be changed that way is to suggest that all law is useless.
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