Can a Free Society Work for the Less Clever?

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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From the Article: "Honestly now: Do you have what it takes? We all like to think we’re smarter than average, but the math is cruel. Half of us are below median intelligence, and some of us are considerably lower. So why should we think that freedom is a good policy for everyone?

I believe freedom is the best policy, but sometimes that is a hard argument to make. A free society presupposes that people are capable of living self-responsibly. That in turn presupposes that they have enough intelligence to do so. And a free democracy presupposes that the majority will consistently make good political decisions. That also presupposes they have enough intelligence to do so.

But a strong claim can be made that it’s naive to think that most people are smart enough. So let’s take up that hard challenge, since only by facing the best arguments on all sides can we be most certain of our own conclusions."
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The author goes on through various example and 'what ifs' to describe why a paternalistic approach to government might be justified in some thinking on how to deal with this situation, but that ethical concerns tell us that a 'free democratic' government is still better. But he doesn't really address what would happen to the less intelligent endowed, in a true 'free' government without the burden of a democracy that gives equal voting rights, regardless of intellectual ability.

Another way to describe such a government is the long sought one, strictly limited to only providing retaliatory force to initiators of force on others, defensive reaction to foreign aggression, and contract dispute resolution--with no opportunity to enact laws of taxation, mandatory fees, or any other forced collection/reimbursement device, and only free market capitalism to influence human interaction.

As an aside, one such way to ensure such a system is to require a super-majority vote for any legislative action and any and all financial related laws to be submitted to citizens, with again a super-majority vote required. But back to the point.

What happens to the less intellectual endowed with such a government that can no longer assert through a vote, any special considerations and more to the point, should we care. It's my contention that in such a system, those without such abilities, education, or drive would fail, and probably do so fatally. Over a very few generations, their numbers would drastically reduce to a point that they would be a true minority.

What would such a place look like? Would it look like a Gulch Nation? Would we all be comfortable there, and if we're not, should we leave or be forced to?

For those that don't like the sound of such a system, we've actually done this twice in our history. Once was the original settlement of the Eastern US, and the second was the settlement of the West during the 1800's. Individual and even group failure was rampant during those periods of this country and the man that pulled through such failures and went on to make it in other ventures was celebrated.


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  • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have always observed that the IQ business had nothing to do with common sense - that essential trait necessary for fruitful living. And that common sense is remarkably uncommon.

    That is how you get some of these whiz bang "intelligentsia" - Robert Reich comes to mind - saying some of the DUMBest things.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 8 months ago
    This smacks of the same societal arrangements proposed in Plato's "Republic". He posited an aristocracy made of the most intelligent controlling a military consisting of the next most intelligent. Further down were the merchants and finally the farmers and common laborers.

    One of the problems I have in this arrangement is that it assumes a static technology base. In today's society, this pyramid gets turned completely on its head, as it is the "dunces" of society who gravitate towards government and the smartest who choose the route of private enterprise. (One interesting note: the modern military is composed of the brighter-than average individual.)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed. If people want a safety net for every decision they make, they should choose to live in a socialist society with curtailed freedoms, high taxes, inequality of treatment, and artificial limitations. (Of course, that society will eventually fail economically because it would be founded on unsound principles, but I digress...) If people want freedom, they must by willing to take responsibility for their actions and in exchange they can have low taxes, equality of treatment, and potential for discovering one's own limitations.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am trying to get liberty for those who really want it. If someone wants socialism instead, he/she is not welcome, because we have seen that the result is the end of liberty. Liberty allows productivity, which usually results in a better life for everyone who is willing to work. This success attracts people who want to be free to achieve, but it also attracts people who just want something for nothing. The latter should be discouraged, educated on the facts of life, and if still unable to understand, the contract should include a buyout of that person's interests and a ticket on the next bus/boat out of town. This is why productive countries do not allow uncontrolled immigration.
    I am not in favor of unearned suffrage either.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello freedomforall,
    Your last paragraph reminded me of one of my favorite quotes: “If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good? Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race? Or do they believe that they themselves are made of a finer clay than the rest of mankind?” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1

    IQ isn't the issue, rather it is whether freedom and independence matter more to you than nanny state security.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are correct.
    Ayn described the power lusters as "Attillas and Witch Doctors"...
    She needed to go one step further and simply see the power lusters as having successfully united money, prestige and power in an effort to wield mass control over the populace.

    Washington has certainly accomplished that.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
    if you think that the "less clever" fare poorly in a free environment,
    you might want to consider Trig Palin -- when free people care,
    and they are more likely to do so absent government pressure,
    there are serious positive effects!!! -- j
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We are in fact a de facto socialist society to one degree or another. (I would like to be able secede, but I digress.)

    For what it's worth:

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

    --Benjamin Franklin
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you. We should be aware that we may always be the 3% in any society...but that a society that defaulted to rules under which that 3% can function well would already have flying cars (and maybe warp drive).

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If we are trying to come up with a society in which everyone can live, we have to deal with the fact that our children and grandchildren may well want to be socialists. The point I have made before is that it is feasible for socialist microcosms to exist within a capitalist framework; the reverse seems to be less true.

    So, of course we are free to establish a new society, but if we want an enduring system, and don't want to repeat the mistakes of our predecessors, we should take what we have learned about our species into consideration.

    Jan
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then those who choose not to live in a socialist environment should be FREE to establish a new government for themselves.
    There is nothing sacred about the union dictatorship.
    Secession is the best peaceful answer.
    $^(% Lincoln and his %@$^&* union.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago
    I do not think that high-IQ/ low-IQ is the proper division. I would let people choose - free choice!

    I suspect that over half the people - including most of the high-IQ folks - would freely choose to live in a socialist environment. This is something that is not taken into account when discussing personal freedoms.

    Jan
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 8 months ago
    What about the fact that half (or in my experience - many more than half) of the government employees that are supposedly employing these parental approaches and policies, are themselves well-below the average intelligence.

    See my thread also today on California doubling-down on stupid programs that were supposed to cost $500 million but save a billion or more, but are now costing $500 million and barely saving $200 million... but "they just haven't been given long enough to work yet".
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years, 8 months ago
    The world needs ditch-diggers too... sad, but its a fact. Fortunately, many of those jobs pay as well as stuff needing an education... or they can always be a little industrious and start their own business.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 8 months ago
    Do we actually have a free society today? In the present society that we are living under it makes no difference because the clueless get the handout anyway.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 8 months ago
    Traditionally, slaves have been taken care of by their masters. The masters did the thinking and made sure that the slaves had the required minimum to live - the safety net. The slaves, not having an opportunity to excercise their brains, never improved their IQ's. Isn't this what we have now?
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  • Posted by Turfprint 9 years, 8 months ago
    It is known fact that all media personnel are smarter than the "little people" and thus are honor bound to feed them the truth for otherwise the unwashed masses wouldn't know right from wrong. They know this is true because the Ivy League schools have told them that it is true. And in fact this is doubly true for the rarefied denizens occupying the hallowed halls of academia; who must bear the agonies and struggles to give stamp of approval on those they send forth to make a better world through the image they have fostered upon their disciples.
    The true elite of society, frustrated occasionally by those stinking people who survive despite, do persevere to enlist any chance of individual success to be predicated as evidence and homage vouchsafe mounted prominently for all to see, and shouting uncompromising logic to the heathens: “I am smarter than you and this diploma proves it.”
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 9 years, 8 months ago
    Bizarrely in the current situation some of the least knowledgeable are actually among the more intelligent who have had the 'benefit' of a college education.
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  • Posted by philosophercat 9 years, 8 months ago
    Assume that the median means exactly what it says. 50% above 50% below in IQ. Now imagine a trade between two people, freely made. A regulated market is one set up to protect the lower percentile from the upper percentile in any trade. We now have a third party involved in the trade, the regulator. Which percentile is the regulator in? How does the regulator know which of the two traders is in which percentile and is he competent to know that? The probability is the average IQ in the trade with regulation goes down.

    What happens is all the regulators, except maybe the heads of agencies who are political appointees, come from the lower percentiles. Regulation dumbs down the trade, raise its costs, and lower the products quality.
    Those who cant do teach and those who cant teach regulate. Protect the lower percentile by having free markets where they are equals.
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  • Posted by DeadRight 9 years, 8 months ago
    One outcome of a concept of free society is that the under IQ endowed can excel.
    There was an immigrant that started rebuilding starter motors and alternators in his kitchen table.
    He did thousands of them by himself to make a living. His company is the largest North American auto electric rebuilder. He may have been smart. Don't know. But I have seen many that have an excellent touch earn big bucks even if they are more artsy than crafty. Welding comes to mind.
    A kid can graduate high school with welding training and make $50/ hr within a year or two. After ten years a welder can pull in $250K/yr.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago
    A Darwinian selection toward only those with ability, education, and drive simply by removing the hammock that now exists for those lacking ability, education, and drive would be welcome. I am not in favor of eugenics. Rather, I am in favor of letting those who should fail. fail, and those who should succeed. succeed.

    The implementation of "The Gulch" was based on the presupposition that Gulch-worth citizens were capable of living self-responsibly. Not all were invited, nor should they have been.

    As for the general population, America before 1900 pretty much had it right.

    Nice thread, Zenphamy. Thanks.
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