Property rights dilemma - airwaves

Posted by davidmcnab 5 years, 3 months ago to Government
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This article raises an interesting dilemma. Does ownership of real property include the right to regulate access to radio frequency spectrum from within that property? The FCC strongly believes NO
SOURCE URL: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/08/18/193222/fcc-fines-smart-city-750k-for-blocking-wi-fi


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  • Posted by $ Technocracy 5 years, 3 months ago
    Another case of government picking the winners. The FCC chose the big carriers over the smaller company that attempted to operate their own business.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 5 years, 3 months ago
    I understand that someone might downvote this because they disagree with government control of the airwaves, but why did someone downvote the Gulcher who posted it?

    If the down voter voted it down because of a perception that it is "irrelevant to Objectivism", then I ask that down voter to reconsider. What you just down voted was John Galt's right to put a radio frequency shield over the Gulch!
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    • Posted by $ ObjectiveAnalyst 5 years, 3 months ago
      Concur. Regardless of how one feels about the article the contributor/gulcher has not even expressed an opinion... Just asking for input.
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      • Posted by khalling 5 years, 3 months ago
        I don't know who downvoted the post, but Mr. Mcnab is well known on this site for anti-property rights stances. Typical anarcho.
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        • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago
          Inherent in this particular ad hom is the notion that I'm "against property rights", a convenient but highly cliched exaggeration resulting from a refusal to accept that people can have differing perspectives regarding the boundaries and definitions of such rights.
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          • Posted by khalling 5 years, 3 months ago
            let's see if I get banned for calling out an anarcho libertarian. If I am wrong-show me on this site where you openly support IP rights. The property of the mind.
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          • Posted by khalling 5 years, 3 months ago
            an ad hom? Do you deny you are a libertarian? Are you a student of Objectivism? I have argued with you on this site many times. You are against IP. You'd like to get your foot in the door on net nuetrality with this argument. do you deny you are a supporter of net neutrality?
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 3 months ago
    I am with Technocracy who would like jamming of these phones signals in theaters.
    This is not permitted where I live (Australia).
    My opinion is that the owner of the locale should be able to jam to protect the audience from unwanted interference, or for any reason, on that property. The emanator of the signal also has rights but such would not extend to forcing a signal where it is not wanted.
    However, Smart City Holdings is not the property owner. They are destroying the competitors' product. Is this act with the permission of the property owner?

    The OP asks a good question here so I have given an up-vote despite not agreeing with the inference that the FCC ruling is correct.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 5 years, 3 months ago
    This whole confusion has occurred, because instead of property rights for airwaves we went with Hoover's idea that the airwaves were public. Ayn Rand has a great discussion of this issue in Capitalism the Unknown Ideal.

    I voted this down because the poster is not serious about property rights and is in here to disrupt and denigrate Rand. His subsequent comments proved me right..
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    • Posted by $ Technocracy 5 years, 3 months ago
      That has been the root issue on many things. Government grabbing rights not extended to them under the Constitution.

      Airwaves as public, meaning government, property is the precendent they try to use to snag control of the internet. It is also something they could try and use to nationalize mass transit. Or the power grid, or water supplies. Oh wait, that has already begun, just going slow to keep it out of the public eye.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 5 years, 3 months ago
      Why, by golly, someone admits to voting something down because they don't like the person.
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      • Posted by khalling 5 years, 3 months ago
        I voted this down because you know. we have spent hours discussing with you only to hear your same argument the next day. and what a surprise! look what post you show up on. Objectivism rejects anarchy. Objectivism holds that property rights should be enforced. I have others on the site I can follow around and see there is no interest in having the fundamental conversation. You have an agenda in here that dissociates with Objectivism.
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 5 years, 3 months ago
          Interestingly, I too have spent hours discussing with you only to hear your same argument the next day. I too, think that property rights should be enforced, a position you willfully ignore. I'm not sure that objectivism has a clear opinion on patents vs copyrights. You and I do, however.

          Nevertheless the point was about down voting. Something I have done three or four times on this site and NEVER to one your posts. But, interestingly if I disagree with you I find my count at 0 even on other discussion lines. Curious coincidence.
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