Go away. Preach your bs irrationalism somewhere else

I don't know about that part of 'in God We Trust' s being the motto from which this countries founders followed and from which this country was formed.

For the most part, the founders were deist, not Christians, (other than in the social context). Their moralities and philosophies tended to be centered around natural rights and individual liberty. One Nation Under God wasn't added to our Pledge of Allegiance till 1952 (?) or so.

The major influences of Christianity seems to have been prohibition and Blue laws. What Christian is going to support the state's death sentence (particularly if the convicted then takes Jesus as his savior and is saved and asks for forgiveness)

I continue to respect and defend the right of Christians to have their beliefs, even though I find a great deal of fault with them, but I simply don't want it shoved into every conversation I try to have.

If a Christian or LGBT supporter has nothing better to comment about than those things, in conversation about any other topic imaginable, I honestly feel sorry for them.

Personally, I'm content with the outlook on such subjects that I've formed based on my own reasoning, and I don't wear a LED illuminated ball cap flashing, "Here walks a Christian" or 'Here's a Gay Guy' or 'Here;s an Agnostic.' On the other hand, I might like that flashing ball cap with "KYFHO" on it.

aetheist in a foxhole is a myth. Talked with a vet at pima air and space museum. He flew B17s in WW Ii He is actually quoted in a documentary saying that that 's a myth.

Can you prove God does not exist?

I didn't think so.

Now really, is that as far reaching as your reason extends? Offer some real mental exercise and I'll play, but this is too lame to even be recognized as thought..

I still want to know who/what created the creator and where the heck does he hang out?

And some wackos go running in circles screaming that Satan is chasing them to throw them into hell. The scary part is they are right.

If one is of the Jewish, Christian or Islamic 9i think) say that man is made in the image of G-d. If this is in fact true, man does not and in fact cannot, give up rational thought even to the point od doubting the existence of G-d.

Ahh, someone else. I'm not alone in the world anymore!
But I do enjoy the meandering at times.

If you walk to the edge of a cliff with a thousand foot drop and there's a sign warning you that if you fall you will be killed, do you jump over the edge to "test" the theory? No, you assume based on logic that the sign is right.

When the speed limit sign says 55MPH and you are given a ticket because you were driving 68MPH, do you argue with the officer or pay the ticket? Why it's not him who made the sign, law or even gave the authority to him. Telling him that you don't feel he has a right to ticket you will not change the outcome.

When I am in my observatory looking at nebula that are 50,000 lightyears away my mind is not challenged to believe that the God who created all of this can manage little ole me.

You claim that accepting the existence of God requires the abandonment of reason with the formula that begins with what you consider a wrong variable rendering everything following invalid. My logic demands that a formula where the existence of God is omitted gives you an incomplete answer leading to a failed existence. You ASSUME God does not exist. I KNOW that you are missing part of a whole life. We are reasoning creatures, God gave us the bible to guide us to him. In it you will find the truth you seek.

But something leads me to doubt that you'll ever risk studying it enough to find the truth, you don't want that.

With the direction this thread has taken with some "challenged by my faith in God I will certainly concede the OP's thought. It seems that some are so challenged that they must resort to attacking every aspect of a believers life. One thing I've found that is consistent with most atheists, they must attack Christians on their faith. We have seen most of their standards attack lines here.

1. You think there's a God? Prove it
2 There must have been something lacking in your upbringing, varies but along the lines of cousins marring cousins.
3. Education - did they have schools where you grew up?
4. You believe in something you can't see so you are stupid.
5. You are suffering from hallucinations. And you are deluded. When all else fails.

Frankly, I've not been so attacked online ever as I have been tonight. I suppose it's the keyboard troll syndrome. Every basement keyboard jock is a FBI agent and a fighter pilot in their spare time.

Then to top it off according to them I insulted them. What a can of stinking worms.

CG - The only thing that exceeds the hardship man can endure is mans depravity. I understand that you can't really grasp that, just never attack a person who comes to know God in such a place. They have gained a faith forged in hardship. And that steel is unbreakable.

That's all solid Will, in that situation, in those kind of places, men on both sides are as close to God as possible. I grew up in a home where religion was not important at all. Not rejecting God, just not church going people. Dad was a WWII combat infantry who fought across N Africa up Italy, went to England and made the landing at Omaha Beach, Battle of the Bulge and on in Germany. Cursing was an art form.

When I came home after having three boats shot out from under me and losing far too many friends, Dad just hugged me and we went to his office and sat and talked about God and war and things we had never spoken of before. As horrid as that was, it brought us closer than we had ever been. His moment of decision was at the bulge and he couldn't talk about it anymore than that.

Wow... He did not deserve that.

I am sure you have heard the old sayings that there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole? That's pretty much true. Just about everyone who gets to a certain point calls upon god.

It's the point when you believe you luck has run out, the situation is beyond your skill, you are totally out of options, and you just don't want to die. It's also the point where many truly learn how much they love life. Atheist veterans are not very common.

I am not knocking your views, just seen it happen to atheists a few times is all.

Wow. I just can't get my mind around it. As an atheist the story does not thing as evidence to sway my opinion on falsifiable claims, but this story does have an impact on my notion of the level of hardship humans can face, a level I can't even imagine.

I believe this life is all there is, and I'm amazed at young people with their whole life ahead of them being able to face death.

Thank you for sharing that story.